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[cleggy]

So how does Virgin work with fibre optic?. I have one cable to the house exterior box, one from that internal to the phone and another into the box for connecting to the modem/wireless thingy and I get 60 megabit broadband.   

[steve6367]

Virgin is fibre to the cabinet (the Virgin one this time) then coax and twisted pair to the house (although this is packaged and looks like one cable).

The coax does your TV and Broadband and the copper twisted pair your phone line in much the same way as a BT line.

Steve

[cleggy]

Virgin is fibre to the cabinet (the Virgin one this time) then coax and twisted pair to the house (although this is packaged and looks like one cable).

The coax does your TV and Broadband and the copper twisted pair your phone line in much the same way as a BT line.

Steve

Cheers 

[MR MISTER]

To clarify:

With FTTC (Infinity 1 or Infinity 2 in BT Retail speak), you will still have a copper pair all the way back to your local exchange, for voice. As BT Wholesale do not offer any options that do not include voice capability, thats non negotiable, no matter which ISP.

Also with FTTC, there will be a fibre cable from the new cabinet to the serving exchange, which may or may not be your local exchange - mine is 12 miles away.

The copper voice and the fibre data are joined at the cabinet, and sent down the copper to your home.

Its unusual to remove the old cabinet though, that normally stays put, as it holds your E and D sides, with a tie cable to the new cab for joining into the mini DSLAM.


FTTP does not offer voice, so a fibre from your serving exchange straight to home, spliced as near as possible to your home. This is expected to be offered to all FTTC in the not too distant future, with an install cost around £1k

They smashed up the old cast iron cab and replaced it with a pressed steel one 

[TheBoy]

To clarify:

With FTTC (Infinity 1 or Infinity 2 in BT Retail speak), you will still have a copper pair all the way back to your local exchange, for voice. As BT Wholesale do not offer any options that do not include voice capability, thats non negotiable, no matter which ISP.

Also with FTTC, there will be a fibre cable from the new cabinet to the serving exchange, which may or may not be your local exchange - mine is 12 miles away.

The copper voice and the fibre data are joined at the cabinet, and sent down the copper to your home.

Its unusual to remove the old cabinet though, that normally stays put, as it holds your E and D sides, with a tie cable to the new cab for joining into the mini DSLAM.


FTTP does not offer voice, so a fibre from your serving exchange straight to home, spliced as near as possible to your home. This is expected to be offered to all FTTC in the not too distant future, with an install cost around £1k

They smashed up the old cast iron cab and replaced it with a pressed steel one 

And also a new (generally larger) fibre cabinet?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

To clarify:

With FTTC (Infinity 1 or Infinity 2 in BT Retail speak), you will still have a copper pair all the way back to your local exchange, for voice. As BT Wholesale do not offer any options that do not include voice capability, thats non negotiable, no matter which ISP.

Also with FTTC, there will be a fibre cable from the new cabinet to the serving exchange, which may or may not be your local exchange - mine is 12 miles away.

The copper voice and the fibre data are joined at the cabinet, and sent down the copper to your home.

Its unusual to remove the old cabinet though, that normally stays put, as it holds your E and D sides, with a tie cable to the new cab for joining into the mini DSLAM.


FTTP does not offer voice, so a fibre from your serving exchange straight to home, spliced as near as possible to your home. This is expected to be offered to all FTTC in the not too distant future, with an install cost around £1k

They smashed up the old cast iron cab and replaced it with a pressed steel one

And the new one is even easier to smash up, as local examples have proved!

[MR MISTER]

To clarify:

With FTTC (Infinity 1 or Infinity 2 in BT Retail speak), you will still have a copper pair all the way back to your local exchange, for voice. As BT Wholesale do not offer any options that do not include voice capability, thats non negotiable, no matter which ISP.

Also with FTTC, there will be a fibre cable from the new cabinet to the serving exchange, which may or may not be your local exchange - mine is 12 miles away.

The copper voice and the fibre data are joined at the cabinet, and sent down the copper to your home.

Its unusual to remove the old cabinet though, that normally stays put, as it holds your E and D sides, with a tie cable to the new cab for joining into the mini DSLAM.


FTTP does not offer voice, so a fibre from your serving exchange straight to home, spliced as near as possible to your home. This is expected to be offered to all FTTC in the not too distant future, with an install cost around £1k

They smashed up the old cast iron cab and replaced it with a pressed steel one 

And also a new (generally larger) fibre cabinet?

That's the one that was already across the road.

[wakeyomega]

Nothing to do with the thread really, but an interesting aside. Not all 'copper' is 'copper'. In the 70's, the Rhodesia crisis meant that copper was in short supply hence also expensive. The alternative used was aluminium, both for mains and telephone line cable manufacturer. As the conductive properties of aluminium are not as good as copper, high broadband speeds are difficult where aluminium was used. The bad news is that its use was never properly recorded, making it very difficult to predict broadband quality in areas developed in that decade. (I guess nobody foresaw the future use of telephone for high speed digital services, and aluminium is fine for voice, so didn't see the need to record it.)

I would assume that FTTC will resolve that as the problem is much diminished on the shorter cable run between cabinet and home, as opposed to exchange to home.

Pat

[MR MISTER]

Hiya Pat.
You've got to feel sorry for the poor old cable theives. Spend hours digging up what they think is a load of copper cable, set fire to it, and it melts before their eyes.

[wakeyomega]

Ha
Definitely. I just wished they'd put their spade through a 132kv cable!

[TheBoy]

Nothing to do with the thread really, but an interesting aside. Not all 'copper' is 'copper'. In the 70's, the Rhodesia crisis meant that copper was in short supply hence also expensive. The alternative used was aluminium, both for mains and telephone line cable manufacturer. As the conductive properties of aluminium are not as good as copper, high broadband speeds are difficult where aluminium was used. The bad news is that its use was never properly recorded, making it very difficult to predict broadband quality in areas developed in that decade. (I guess nobody foresaw the future use of telephone for high speed digital services, and aluminium is fine for voice, so didn't see the need to record it.)

I would assume that FTTC will resolve that as the problem is much diminished on the shorter cable run between cabinet and home, as opposed to exchange to home.

Pat

In the early 90s, one of the bean couting suits fairly high up proudly stated there was no more ali in the ground

breakless 'tard, fortunately he didn't last long.  There is still lead in the ground 

[AndyRoid]

Nothing to do with the thread really, but an interesting aside. Not all 'copper' is 'copper'. In the 70's, the Rhodesia crisis meant that copper was in short supply hence also expensive. The alternative used was aluminium, both for mains and telephone line cable manufacturer. As the conductive properties of aluminium are not as good as copper, high broadband speeds are difficult where aluminium was used. The bad news is that its use was never properly recorded, making it very difficult to predict broadband quality in areas developed in that decade. (I guess nobody foresaw the future use of telephone for high speed digital services, and aluminium is fine for voice, so didn't see the need to record it.)

I would assume that FTTC will resolve that as the problem is much diminished on the shorter cable run between cabinet and home, as opposed to exchange to home.

Pat

Triumph were still using shite cable in their wiring looms as little as 10 years ago (nigh on a 1v drop in 6 inches of cable between the reg/rec and battery), and it wouldn't surprise me if other manufacturers are doing the same today in order to save a few pence.