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[chrisgixer]

Yes sorry its a current affairs thing, I know. But....


The main suspect seen carrying the child by the flat where Mady was taken has been eliminated from enquiries, because, he came forward to police and said he was taking his daughter home FROM the cresh . He fits the description, blah, ok fine.

But, assuming the map showing the position of the sighting/flat/and cresh is facing north up for a minute, just for ease of explaining;

Suspect is walking East. Accross the road, in front of the witness. This means he's walking towards the cresh which is south east from the flat, at about 9.30 to 10 iirc, but TOWARDS the cresh, not away from as he would have been if picking up his child, and as they said he was on the programme.

What have I missed?   why would he be walking towards the cresh when he's just picked up his child from there?
Should he the child carrying man still be a suspect, and the guy who came forward is a different bloke?



....and, given the lead on the child carrying man went dry in the first investigation, why the hell didn't they follow up on the second child carrying suspect heading south towards the sea anyway...? Seeing as they had bog all else to do constructively...?

[chrisgixer]

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Either we're all bored of the subject or nobody understands my point, as usual

[cleggy]

I think that most people are bored with it all to be honest, it has been a long long time now. The Portuguese were inept from the start IMO and I think that she is long gone.

[Andy B]

I think that most people are bored with it all to be honest, it has been a long long time now. The Portuguese were inept from the start IMO and I think that she is long gone.

I wouldn't say bored, but I think most feel that after so long, she won't be found either at all or alive.

[tigers_gonads]

I think that most people are bored with it all to be honest, it has been a long long time now. The Portuguese were inept from the start IMO and I think that she is long gone.

I lost interest when I found out she wasn't the stig 

On a serious note ............            as a parent I feel for them as anyone would but she is well gone sadly 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm still amazed that the McCanns thought it appropriate to leave a three year old and two year old twins unsupervised. Surely a babysitter could have been found. ......It wasn't the first time either.

If the McCanns were less well educated, and articulate, and lived on a council estate while claiming benefits, the powers that be would probably taken their other kids taken into care as a matter of routine.

Sorry, but it smacks of double standards to me.    

[tigers_gonads]

I'm still amazed that the McCanns thought it appropriate to leave a three year old and two year old twins unsupervised. Surely a babysitter could have been found. ......It wasn't the first time either.

If the McCanns were less well educated, and articulate, and lived on a council estate while claiming benefits, the powers that be would probably taken their other kids taken into care as a matter of routine.

Sorry, but it smacks of double standards to me.

Shhhhh, your not aloud to say that anymore .............. victims rights and all that 'dangle berries'

[Kevin Wood]

I'm still amazed that the McCanns thought it appropriate to leave a three year old and two year old twins unsupervised. Surely a babysitter could have been found. ......It wasn't the first time either.

Nail on head. Leaving kids that young alone, especially on holiday, where you are in a less familiar setting than home, was a grave error of judgement  for which they have paid a heavy price. It's time for them to accept that and move on, IMHO.

[Lazydocker]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I know the area they were staying in. My ex wife and I used to holiday nearby several times a year because her parents lived there.

Something is not right Plus, they have changed their story several times

I feel sorry for them but still think that there is much more to this than has been revealed

[hotel21]

I agree with you mr LD. Not the knowing the area thing but the rest of the above. 

My personal jury is still very much out on the truth of the matter. The phrase 'methinks they protesteth too much' or similar comes to mind......

[albitz]

I agree.Something doesn't smell right.
Also,for the second time in 6 years I agree with opti. To leave kids as young as not much more than 1 year old with no adults present is disgraceful. If they were working class,council estate types they would have faced charges of neglect. If they are innocent,I have little sympathy for them tbh.
The little girl though,whatever the real truth is,I would imagine she was murdered around the time she disappeared,which is just hearbreaking.

[taitinson]

I too, am sure there is more to it
I feel desperately sorry for the little girl, but make no excuses for having no sympathy for the parents, whatever possessed them to leave three such small children alone,

[chrisgixer]

Did anybody watch the programme though...?

They talk about the timeline, as I'm sure you've heard, up to the "revelation" of confirming the identity of, what was previously thought to be, the culprit. And yes the story has changed. Since re investigating the case new evidence has changed the story again. The time line presents new FACTS, and we are asked to consider these, and these alone.

The presenter asks to review the new evidence with an open mind. To start again, based on what they NOW know.

So ignoring that for a minute as most posts revolve around leaving the children unattended.

The Mcanns where at their evening meal, as they had done every night, with several other couples, at the Tappas bar the other side of the pool. They ALL left their children unattended during that period, leaving their meal regularly throughout to check up on them. This was a surprise to me, as I had assumed only the Mcanns had digressed. It seems the majority of adults present at the meal that evening where from that block on the resort. Seems it was the culture of the place if you like.

The crime is, the taking of the child, and its that crime that the programme and this thread is about. Much as I agree with what you've all said. The detective did describe the flat as "effectively open to the public" but moves on from that to the facts.

The programme is on iplayer now. Of which my concern is, the original suspected culprit has been wrongly discounted perhaps, given his movements.

Another thought I'm asking you to consider with your detective hats on, given the evidence of the programme is, the number of leads followed up. It covers The Portuguese police though so is a bit pointless, tbh.
Having investigated the Id off the first suspect (now discounted), and that lead had dried up in the original investigation, why in earth did they not go on and consider the next lead, of the man carrying child walking towards the sea to the south west?


Like you I considered the Mcanns a bit stupid leaving the children unattended. I feel slightly less so now. But none of that means they should not have their case investigated properly. Does it?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Oh, what I'd give  for a time machine. I could go back and sort this riddle once and for all.

[chrisgixer]

Oh, what I'd give  for a time machine. I could go back and sort this riddle once and for all.

Put yourself in their shoes, only now do they have a proper investigation. 7 years on.

But have you seen the programme? Any thoughts on "the case" ?

The Mcanns movements where routine. Anyone watching could have been picking their moment quite easily. Or, as was suggested, there where several burglaries at the time. She could simply have interrupted a burglary, and been taken to keep her quiet. Lord knows what would happen to her then though. I prefer the snatched to order theory tbh, at least she'd be more likely to be alive.