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[chrisgixer]

A lot of assumptions.....one being that the person who came forward is indeed that person and not somebody who thinks he was that person....

Yes. And these are the "Elite detectives"....on the evidence in the programme, they say they are 99% certain of the identity of the 9.15 siting. This then allows them to move in to the second siting.

Why not investigate the second siting anyway? And indeed all sittings, if any more. Until all are eliminated or the child found. Preferably the later first obviously.

[TheBoy]

As for the poor child, who was very young at the time, if she was snatched to order, I think there is a liklihood that she is having a comfortable upbringing with loving "parents" (based on the fact that whoever paid the abducters would have to have a fair wad of cash, and so desperately wanted a child that they would love and care for her).

Obviously, that doesn't make any of it right, but should she now have to also go through the turmoil of being seperated from the only "parents" she remembers, and have her life torn apart. Again. Obviously, if she was snatched for the pleasure of some deviant, then she is already in a better place.


As to what has been said previously to this specific episode of Crimewatch being discarded, thats absolutely daft. The most important evidence is that gained immediately after the event, not what people say 7 years later.

[relluf]

I did watch the program ,and a couple of things puzzled me.

1. Was the apartment actually locked ? I don't recall any mention of this.

2.the shutters appear to be operated from the inside,if so were they damaged from the outside to be opened?

3. If apartment was locked ,did Friend who offered to "check" actually go in or stand outside and listen? he said " all seems quiet or words to that effect. Was the shutter /window open at that point?
4. Presuming the doors were locked whoever took the girl seems to have gone in through the window somehow after opening the shutter and I presume gone out the same way carrying her(no mean feat).
Or the door was left unlocked!

[henryd]

I did watch the program ,and a couple of things puzzled me.

1. Was the apartment actually locked ? I don't recall any mention of this.

2.the shutters appear to be operated from the inside,if so were they damaged from the outside to be opened?

3. If apartment was locked ,did Friend who offered to "check" actually go in or stand outside and listen? he said " all seems quiet or words to that effect. Was the shutter /window open at that point?
4. Presuming the doors were locked whoever took the girl seems to have gone in through the window somehow after opening the shutter and I presume gone out the same way carrying her(no mean feat).
Or the door was left unlocked!

RE no 4

I would have thought a 3 year old woken by a stranger would have screamed the house down,unless it was someone she knew

[chrisgixer]

I did watch the program ,and a couple of things puzzled me.

1. Was the apartment actually locked ? I don't recall any mention of this.

2.the shutters appear to be operated from the inside,if so were they damaged from the outside to be opened?

3. If apartment was locked ,did Friend who offered to "check" actually go in or stand outside and listen? he said " all seems quiet or words to that effect. Was the shutter /window open at that point?
4. Presuming the doors were locked whoever took the girl seems to have gone in through the window somehow after opening the shutter and I presume gone out the same way carrying her(no mean feat).
Or the door was left unlocked!

RE no 4

I would have thought a 3 year old woken by a stranger would have screamed the house down,unless it was someone she knew

If kidnapped to order, was she sedated?

While its good to see we're finally moving away from pure conjecture, and on to something allegedly more factual, the only way forward is to focus on the "who" rather than the "how". It seems to me?

A process of elimination of possible suspects is all there is. Afaict.

[chrisgixer]

As for the poor child, who was very young at the time, if she was snatched to order, I think there is a liklihood that she is having a comfortable upbringing with loving "parents" (based on the fact that whoever paid the abducters would have to have a fair wad of cash, and so desperately wanted a child that they would love and care for her).

Obviously, that doesn't make any of it right, but should she now have to also go through the turmoil of being seperated from the only "parents" she remembers, and have her life torn apart. Again. Obviously, if she was snatched for the pleasure of some deviant, then she is already in a better place.


As to what has been said previously to this specific episode of Crimewatch being discarded, thats absolutely daft. The most important evidence is that gained immediately after the event, not what people say 7 years later.

Again, you've not seen the programme. Slating the Mcanns, while that may or may not be justified, is NOT the subject of the programme, or this thread and the questions on post 1.

It's quite an easy path to walk down, yet you blatantly refuse to do so.
Feel free to start a thread on the Mcanns behaviour of course, if may be so bold. But can I ask you to pay at least some attention to the contents of the Crimewatch programme ?

[TheBoy]

As for the poor child, who was very young at the time, if she was snatched to order, I think there is a liklihood that she is having a comfortable upbringing with loving "parents" (based on the fact that whoever paid the abducters would have to have a fair wad of cash, and so desperately wanted a child that they would love and care for her).

Obviously, that doesn't make any of it right, but should she now have to also go through the turmoil of being seperated from the only "parents" she remembers, and have her life torn apart. Again. Obviously, if she was snatched for the pleasure of some deviant, then she is already in a better place.


As to what has been said previously to this specific episode of Crimewatch being discarded, thats absolutely daft. The most important evidence is that gained immediately after the event, not what people say 7 years later.

Again, you've not seen the programme. Slating the Mcanns, while that may or may not be justified, is NOT the subject of the programme, or this thread and the questions on post 1.

It's quite an easy path to walk down, yet you blatantly refuse to do so.
Feel free to start a thread on the Mcanns behaviour of course, if may be so bold. But can I ask you to pay at least some attention to the contents of the Crimewatch programme ?

WTF have you been smoking, I need it. Lots of it.

Nowhere in that post did I mention how badly the parents acted  .  It was simply a PoV that brings forward a question of how she would feel if she was found.


However, as you've brought it up, you'll find that when it happened, I was uncomfortable with the interviews that the parents were giving, and story changing and suspicious body language haven't done much to help. It may, of course, be just the guilt of leaving her alone, but other forms of guilt need to be explored. And not by a media outlet!

How can you hold a discussion on such a subject, yet only allow what was said on a single TV entertainment programme, more interested in ratings than true facts, made seven years after the event, and wash all the over evidence that has been gathered under the carpet? That seems incredibly narrow minded to my simple mind 


Anyway, nothing more to say on this thread unless it broadens to include all facts, not just what sensations the beed can hype up.

[MR MISTER]

Who's the beed, Jaime?

[chrisgixer]

As for the poor child, who was very young at the time, if she was snatched to order, I think there is a liklihood that she is having a comfortable upbringing with loving "parents" (based on the fact that whoever paid the abducters would have to have a fair wad of cash, and so desperately wanted a child that they would love and care for her).

Obviously, that doesn't make any of it right, but should she now have to also go through the turmoil of being seperated from the only "parents" she remembers, and have her life torn apart. Again. Obviously, if she was snatched for the pleasure of some deviant, then she is already in a better place.


As to what has been said previously to this specific episode of Crimewatch being discarded, thats absolutely daft. The most important evidence is that gained immediately after the event, not what people say 7 years later.

Again, you've not seen the programme. Slating the Mcanns, while that may or may not be justified, is NOT the subject of the programme, or this thread and the questions on post 1.

It's quite an easy path to walk down, yet you blatantly refuse to do so.
Feel free to start a thread on the Mcanns behaviour of course, if may be so bold. But can I ask you to pay at least some attention to the contents of the Crimewatch programme ?

WTF have you been smoking, I need it. Lots of it.

Nowhere in that post did I mention how badly the parents acted  .  It was simply a PoV that brings forward a question of how she would feel if she was found.


However, as you've brought it up, you'll find that when it happened, I was uncomfortable with the interviews that the parents were giving, and story changing and suspicious body language haven't done much to help. It may, of course, be just the guilt of leaving her alone, but other forms of guilt need to be explored. And not by a media outlet!

How can you hold a discussion on such a subject, yet only allow what was said on a single TV entertainment programme, more interested in ratings than true facts, made seven years after the event, and wash all the over evidence that has been gathered under the carpet? That seems incredibly narrow minded to my simple mind 


Anyway, nothing more to say on this thread unless it broadens to include all facts, not just what sensations the beed can hype up.

Jamie, watch the facts as presented in the programme.(or not)
Then consider post 1.(or not, as you wish)

Its easy. It really is.

That's all I'm asking.

[05omegav6]

As I'm on the phone, excuse not quoting directly, but in respones to Reply 79 have a reread of Replies 53,64 and 67

I think that it is highly likely that Madelines disappearance was not unexpected, even if the reality of it happening was/is a bitter pill for the McCanns to swallow

As for the poor child, who was very young at the time, if she was snatched to order, I think there is a liklihood that she is having a comfortable upbringing with loving "parents" (based on the fact that whoever paid the abducters would have to have a fair wad of cash, and so desperately wanted a child that they would love and care for her).

Obviously, that doesn't make any of it right, but should she now have to also go through the turmoil of being seperated from the only "parents" she remembers, and have her life torn apart. Again. Obviously, if she was snatched for the pleasure of some deviant, then she is already in a better place.

We can only hope and pray it was the former

[albitz]

As I said earlier. That's unlikely unfortunately. If it were a case of "stolen to order" they would almost certainly hve taken one or both of he babies,as the new "parents" would find it much easier to pass them off as their own.

[chrisgixer]

However likely or unlikely, however its was done or by whom, all answers will come from finding the kidnapper, and hence the child.

It was effectively, a public space. Infuriatingly, anyone could come and go as they pleased. But;
She was taken
By someone
And that someone needs to be found
In order to find the child

Anything else is irrelevant conjecture.

[chrisgixer]

...hence the Crimewatch programme.
Hence the questions I've asked.

[chrisgixer]

That being...

Why would the original suspect siting at 9.15 carry his or anyone else's child back towards the crèche, when he said he'd just picked the child up from there?

Its a minor detail now in the face of a wave of mistrust(?) in the Parents. But that's all i was really concerned with.

It just seemed odd to me. And to Al. Anyone else?

[MR MISTER]

Has anyone got a rope I could borrow?