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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

A/B road overtakes are the reason I bought a 3.2. They got a bit scary in my 1.8 Laguna, and I imagine they would be much the same in a 4 pot Omega, even more so if auto.

The problem these days is that you don't just have to overtake slow vehicles, you also have to get past the 3 or 4 retards who are following it, bumper to bumper, so close that they have no view of the road ahead and no distance in which to accelerate for an overtake. Of course, they leave no space for anyone to pull in either, so it's sh1t or bust.

Thus, you need a car with a lot of poke in the midrange.

Taking the A283 Steyning bypass as an example (fast gentle sweep about a mile long), in my first car, a manual 2.3 Granada with 2.8 carb, overtaking was a doddle.

18 years later the Omega struggles sometimes I think there are three possible reasons for this, in no particular order...

1. With the improvements to turbo diesels, and car safety/comfort traffic speeds are generally higher.
2. My plums have been misplaced and replaced with a tempremental self preservation module.
3. My car is broken.

Whichever it is comfortable effective overtaking speeds do seem to alot closer to 80+ than the 50-60 of 18 years ago. The net result being that unless the obstruction speed is below 45 or the road ahead is plainly straight and clear for at least 1/4 mile, the only real option is to feel the tyres go cold and watch time go backwards

That said, when everything comes together, even a rattly old estate can be an absolute joy to drive hard which makes all the perceived maintenance grumbles worth every single second

Yep....Eighteen years ago your Granada probably only had to dispatch a Marina or a smoky Mk3 Cortina.


Actually, that was probably closer to 35 years ago.

[cem_devecioglu]

Needs to be auto , so if it was 2.2 auto its going to be more power sapping  Dont want a race car  but something with a bit of poke for overtaking without trouser changing 

  No.. buy a proper manual

and avoid all later headaches..

[cem_devecioglu]

Is that the silver p/f one 

No, the poorly Silver Bullet has never been for sale.

As opposed to the far superior poorly facelift

You know you are wrong

I'm always wrong... just ask Cem

now, what have I done/said

[cem_devecioglu]

A/B road overtakes are the reason I bought a 3.2. They got a bit scary in my 1.8 Laguna, and I imagine they would be much the same in a 4 pot Omega, even more so if auto.

The problem these days is that you don't just have to overtake slow vehicles, you also have to get past the 3 or 4 retards who are following it, bumper to bumper, so close that they have no view of the road ahead and no distance in which to accelerate for an overtake. Of course, they leave no space for anyone to pull in either, so it's sh1t or bust.

Thus, you need a car with a lot of poke in the midrange.

in case of urgency drive directly onto to them..  if they dont permit you, push the b*stard out of the road

[cem_devecioglu]

Pah, no faith in the 4 pot Omega. 

The four pot is not a proper Omega.........Not that I wish to upset anyone.

yep.. unless it has turbo..

[cem_devecioglu]

Pah, no faith in the 4 pot Omega. 

The four pot is not a proper Omega.........Not that I wish to upset anyone.

 

Race you to a thermostat change & cam covers lets see who has a "proper" one then 

Four pot........economy

Six pot..........excitement.

All depends what  'floats your boat'.......

omega is heavy and imo its not economical even with 4 pot.. (unless lpg'd)

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Pah, no faith in the 4 pot Omega. 

The four pot is not a proper Omega.........Not that I wish to upset anyone.

 

Race you to a thermostat change & cam covers lets see who has a "proper" one then 

Four pot........economy

Six pot..........excitement.

All depends what  'floats your boat'.......

omega is heavy and imo its not economical even with 4 pot.. (unless lpg'd)

I mean for economy of maintenance, Cem.

Cheaper and easier to work on...etc..etc.

2.0 and 2.2 four pot, especially in auto form, like a drink as much as the next Omega.

[05omegav6]

Plenty of 2.6 autos knocking about EMD, a good compromise 

[cem_devecioglu]

Pah, no faith in the 4 pot Omega. 

The four pot is not a proper Omega.........Not that I wish to upset anyone.

 

Race you to a thermostat change & cam covers lets see who has a "proper" one then 

Four pot........economy

Six pot..........excitement.

All depends what  'floats your boat'.......

omega is heavy and imo its not economical even with 4 pot.. (unless lpg'd)

I mean for economy of maintenance, Cem.

Cheaper and easier to work on...etc..etc.

2.0 and 2.2 four pot, especially in auto form, like a drink as much as the next Omega.

that was good

[05omegav6]

It must be said that it seems possible to run a desmond for 160k miles without actually replacing anything

[omega3000]

Plenty of 2.6 autos knocking about EMD, a good compromise 

Never liked the f/l design much myself .. and those expensive coil packs  I must be going mad as considered a mig diseasal  Mite be better to wait till after xmas when everyone selling is skint and desperate to sell 

[cem_devecioglu]

Plenty of 2.6 autos knocking about EMD, a good compromise 

Never liked the f/l design much myself .. and those expensive coil packs  I must be going mad as considered a mig diseasal  Mite be better to wait till after xmas when everyone selling is skint and desperate to sell 

Emd, diseasal are bmw lumps.. and not as economical as it sounds..  besides maintenance costs higher than ordnary v6 .. although some may not agree.. and to an extent they are more complex..

and honestly I wont recommend a 10+ year old diseasal auto.. imo
 

[omega3000]

Plenty of 2.6 autos knocking about EMD, a good compromise 

Never liked the f/l design much myself .. and those expensive coil packs  I must be going mad as considered a mig diseasal  Mite be better to wait till after xmas when everyone selling is skint and desperate to sell 

Emd, diseasal are bmw lumps.. and not as economical as it sounds..  besides maintenance costs higher than ordnary v6 .. although some may not agree.. and to an extent they are more complex..

 

Diseasel struck off list , besides the worry of fuel pumps  Whats left  Ermm 2.0 or 3.0 

[cem_devecioglu]

Plenty of 2.6 autos knocking about EMD, a good compromise 

Never liked the f/l design much myself .. and those expensive coil packs  I must be going mad as considered a mig diseasal  Mite be better to wait till after xmas when everyone selling is skint and desperate to sell 

Emd, diseasal are bmw lumps.. and not as economical as it sounds..  besides maintenance costs higher than ordnary v6 .. although some may not agree.. and to an extent they are more complex..

 

Diseasel struck off list , besides the worry of fuel pumps  Whats left  Ermm 2.0 or 3.0 

ok bite the bullet buy a manual 3.0.. no headaches.. (really ? )

ps: 3.0 easiler to lpg and calibrate than a 3.2..

[Andy B]

....
Race you  ......

 .....  and I'll even give you a chance by turning up in a diseasal