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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #75 on: 27 October 2013, 17:07:06 »

Or buy a place with sufficient parking...

It does have it, just needs to be converted  ::)

Gaining so much more, this was a compromise. But can be overcome  :y

Now, a proper tunnie bodge would be to get a couple of scaffolding planks, lay them parallel on the grass already there and park on them, cheap too  :y :D
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #76 on: 28 October 2013, 10:27:55 »

Sorry to sound stupid  :-[ :-[ - But what is that in terms of B&Q/Jewsons ect?  :-\

Reading up they also suggested a fabric material type stuff, to go down first? Then some base layer, then sharp sand?

Would just compacted soil be enough to support the weight of an Omega constantly parked on it?  :-\

Forget the sheds, use the local builders merchant, generaly cheaper and delivery is better.

As per the paving expert website, the geotex membrane is also available from the builders merhcants.

As for MT1, thats ministry of transport type 1 sub base material, its a specialy graded mix of crusher run that when compacted forms a solid base. Crusher run, recylced concrete, hardcore etc is not even close to as good for a solid base.

And yes, just driiving it onto the grass with nothing under it will result in ruts over a pretty short space of time. 
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« Reply #77 on: 28 October 2013, 11:30:37 »

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Forget the sheds, use the local builders merchant, generaly cheaper and delivery is better.

Agreed, ignore at your peril :y

You go into the store, pay and they order the stuff for you. It then gets picked at the suppliers, usually in cubic yard bags. These are then palletised and sent out on the cheapest pallet service available. A week later, once you've forgotten about it, a 30ft truck will appear in your road with a pump truck and a taillift. If you're really lucky and the run to your drive is smooth and basically level, then your delivery will be put in front of your garage door. Any kerbs, gravel or block paving and you'll be spending two days with a spade and a wheel barrow shifting it from the road side. Same applies to internet orders, even direct from suppliers, and especially if delivery is free or cheap :-\

Always buy bulk material from builders merchants. If you clear the ground before you order it, the local builders merchant will drop the bags over the wall with a HIAB, no fuss, no drama.

B&Q etc are great for late weekend 'Oh bugger I forgot to get...,' moments or little projects, but they are quite disconnected from a delivery perspective...
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #78 on: 28 October 2013, 11:53:52 »

or do like I did, and order a 10T tipper (100 quid, delivered), and have it tipped straight on the drive.
Then spend the next six months spreading it round the garden. and giving away the other 12 Tonnes  ::)
Seems that I paid for 10T, but he sent a full 38T tipper.  ::)
The base under my 20ft x 20ft workshop is over 2ft deep hardcore!

Actual spread of MOT1 or road planings, or hardcore in general is
1Tonne = 2cu m
or 5 sq m at 4" thick (ie, 3ft wide,15ft long)

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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #79 on: 28 October 2013, 13:13:25 »

22 tons from memory of MT1 for my subabse on the drive, delivery on two tippers.

MT1 is the only thing that will give a reliable and proven subbase though
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« Reply #80 on: 28 October 2013, 13:44:16 »

I'm actually really confused by that -
I've checked a few websites, and they all say, roughly, 1Tonne =2 cu m, compacted.

But water is 1 Tonne = 1 cu m.
So Compacted MOT1 is half the density of water ???
Why doesn't it float?
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #81 on: 28 October 2013, 13:53:57 »

Air gaps which will fill with water when submerged :y
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #82 on: 28 October 2013, 14:20:49 »

I'm actually really confused by that -
I've checked a few websites, and they all say, roughly, 1Tonne =2 cu m, compacted.

But water is 1 Tonne = 1 cu m.
So Compacted MOT1 is half the density of water ???
Why doesn't it float?

Other way round, 2 ton of MT1 equals 1m2 when compacted

http://www.pavingexpert.com/calcall.htm#focus14
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #83 on: 28 October 2013, 15:30:37 »

See, that's what I thought...

but:
http://www.grabtrucks.com/aggregatewhat/mottype1_crushedconcrete/

says the opposite  ::)

then I read paving expert, and that seems to confirm - cept I can't add up  ::)
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #84 on: 28 October 2013, 15:39:54 »

If you use the calculator and put in 10m2 at 100mm depth you get two tons.

Which is what you would expect given the denisty of the crushed stone compared to that of the water.
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« Reply #85 on: 28 October 2013, 16:26:17 »

If you use the calculator and put in 10m2 at 100mm depth you get two tons.

Which is what you would expect given the denisty of the crushed stone compared to that of the water.

did that - but 1m2 at 1000mm depth.
it was on another page - 5m2 at 100mm depth - I think I worked out 100mm = 12inches  :-[

I've been working in imperial/US for the last month, and think my brain is misfiring
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #86 on: 28 October 2013, 18:07:29 »

Thanks Chaps  :y

Knew get answers here  :)

So, a rough plan would be:

1) Dig two long "trenches" for the wheels to run along
2) Line each trench with a geo-textile product, just loose pushed in?
3) Fill with correct depth of MT1 (hehe matches my initials)
4) Use a tamper to compact down manually, think petrol 'wacker' would be OTT.
5) top off with sharp sand to correct amount, again tamper down
6) Put these grass-grid things down, hopefully they rest at same level as rest of the garden.
7) Fill with gravel.

Done? Two strips for wheels to drive along, with good base to support the car and good drainage complying with SUDS regs
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #87 on: 28 October 2013, 18:22:13 »

Of course, you could simply park the car on the grass ::)
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #88 on: 28 October 2013, 18:23:28 »

Of course, you could simply park the car on the grass ::)

It may well come to that  ::)  ;D

But like to do things right these days  :o
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Re: Views on front garden to driveway
« Reply #89 on: 28 October 2013, 19:38:39 »

Thanks Chaps  :y

Knew get answers here  :)

So, a rough plan would be:

1) Dig two long "trenches" for the wheels to run along
2) Line each trench with a geo-textile product, just loose pushed in?
3) Fill with correct depth of MT1 (hehe matches my initials)
4) Use a tamper to compact down manually, think petrol 'wacker' would be OTT.
5) top off with sharp sand to correct amount, again tamper down
6) Put these grass-grid things down, hopefully they rest at same level as rest of the garden.
7) Fill with gravel.

Done? Two strips for wheels to drive along, with good base to support the car and good drainage complying with SUDS regs

Amend 7) ... to 1/2 fill with gravel
8) top up with top-soil
9) sow with a hard wearing grass seed.

You will end up with what looks like a lawn, but has the strength you need for the car, and "if" you have got the grid things level with the rest of the surface, the mower will run across the top easily ..  :)
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