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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Crowded Britain
« Reply #15 on: 31 October 2013, 20:00:10 »

I am fully in support of immigration, as we are all ex migrants in this country; it is just we need a breather before taking in another few hundred thousand before we have built at least 100,000 homes, expanded the NHS at all levels, created more places in our schools, developed our transport infrastructure to cope with the vast influx of people on top of us who exist here all ready!

If we keep on allowing a huge influx of "new blood" to our country before we have in place all we need then social tensions will increase to a level when they break out into full civil disorder.  Enoch Powell could yet prove to be right  in his infamous "rivers of blood" speech, as much as that rather annoyed me at the time!
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« Reply #16 on: 31 October 2013, 20:12:16 »

I am fully in support of immigration, as we are all ex migrants in this country; it is just we need a breather before taking in another few hundred thousand before we have built at least 100,000 homes, expanded the NHS at all levels, created more places in our schools, developed our transport infrastructure to cope with the vast influx of people on top of us who exist here all ready!

If we keep on allowing a huge influx of "new blood" to our country before we have in place all we need then social tensions will increase to a level when they break out into full civil disorder.  Enoch Powell could yet prove to be right  in his infamous "rivers of blood" speech, as much as that rather annoyed me at the time!

Where is the money going to come from to do all of that, on top of building the HS2 white elephant?

As said earlier, Britain is stuck with a large influx of immigrants looking for and getting a better way of life- pay, conditions of work , health care and social benefits. Why wouldn't they come to Britain?
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Re: Crowded Britain
« Reply #17 on: 31 October 2013, 20:27:40 »

Get us out of the EU pronto and adopt the Australian way, prove you have something to offer and have the means to support yourself, or don't bother turning up!
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« Reply #18 on: 31 October 2013, 20:39:31 »

Signed, and we should boot out those already here :y
I'm surprised at you, Cleggy. I thought you were one of the greatest advocates of our multi-cultural society.  ::)

You scouse git, away with you from God's county ;) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #19 on: 31 October 2013, 20:42:17 »

Get us out of the EU pronto and adopt the Australian way, prove you have something to offer and have the means to support yourself, or don't bother turning up!

AGREED :y  You Pay, You Stay or else freak off :y
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Re: Crowded Britain
« Reply #20 on: 31 October 2013, 21:00:14 »

The problem is not the immigrants who come here prepared to work.  I have employed Polish workers in the past, their attendance is good, they work hard, and are generally nice, polite people.

It is the potential influx of a lot more Eastern Europeans who are only coming here to beg, sponge or engage in criminal activities.  As said above we could learn from the Aussie approach - no job, no use, no entry.
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« Reply #21 on: 31 October 2013, 21:12:19 »

Some confused thinking here in some cases imo tbh. As is known Im a UKIP supporter and am in complete agreement with their policy on the subject.
Basically,and critically. The UK government should decide immigration policy and who comes into the UK. No-one else.
There is nothing wrong with sensible,controlled levels of immigration,particularily to fill gaps in the employment market where there are particular skills shortages. This currently couldn't include low end,manual, low quailifcation type jobs as there are millions of people unemployed in the UK,many of whom are in the low qualification bracket.
The problems we currently have are due to completely uncontrolled (but strongly encouraged) levels of immigration,which was a secret but very strong policy of the previous government. As Peter Mandelson said recently "we didn't just encourage immigrants to come here,we sent out search parties to find more of them".
To do that while telling your parliament and electorate the complete opposite is tantamount to treason in my opinion.
We now have an infrastructure (from schools,hospitals roads to the welfare state) which is at breaking point everywhere you look.
We also have a chronic so called housing shortage.It could be argued that there is no shortage of housing,just too many people.
As Lizzie said the infrastructure could catch up in the future,but that would mean saying goodbye to much of this green & pleasant land to build huge numbers of houses,and then the roads,schools hospitals etc. to serve them.
We are a relatively small island.Surely there has to be a limit on the number of people living on it at some point ? Bearing in mind that many of the immigrants from a cultural point of view will tend to have larger families in the future than the indigenous population will.
http://www.ukip.org/issues/policy-pages/immigration
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« Reply #22 on: 31 October 2013, 21:25:32 »

I'm with Chris on this.  I am trying to hire skilled people in my sector and it is not easy.  I get plenty of IT guys trying their luck thinking I will pay for their training or support them on a fat wage while they get experience >:( or go to E Europe and hire a fully qualified, experienced and competent IT Sec specialist....

That is because there pay is much lower than the UK, so it is easier to buy in 'cheap' labour rather than training local people, which is the point I made earlier. There is also a big global shortage of people with relevant IT skills and Eastern Europe is better than the UK in many ways with their education systems, work ethic and training of their workforce. Ukraine has the 4th best educated workforce in the world. In the UK the number of computer science graduates is dropping where we are too busy churning out Media Studies and Leisure and Tourism graduates as our next generation of burger flippers.
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« Reply #23 on: 31 October 2013, 21:30:15 »

It's a perfectly natural phenomenon, the fall of the British empire. Read your history books.
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« Reply #24 on: 31 October 2013, 21:34:25 »

And that's where I'm confused.

Monopolies and mergers we all hate.  Closed shops we all hate. Yet when competition is introduced, competition that is superior as Rods suggests, we want to shut the doors, shut up shop and hide under the duvet.

Mmmmno. Not me. Where's the progress there? The development? The learning? Competition is good. Its progress. And we can't progress without it.

Uk simply can't afford arrogance in the belief we have everything we need. We don't. Professionally speaking of course.
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« Reply #25 on: 31 October 2013, 22:57:30 »

And that's where I'm confused.

Monopolies and mergers we all hate.  Closed shops we all hate. Yet when competition is introduced, competition that is superior as Rods suggests, we want to shut the doors, shut up shop and hide under the duvet.

Mmmmno. Not me. Where's the progress there? The development? The learning? Competition is good. Its progress. And we can't progress without it.

Uk simply can't afford arrogance in the belief we have everything we need. We don't. Professionally speaking of course.

No, we want controlled immigration to enable us to pick and choose who we allow into this country — as they do in Australia, Canada, US, etc. It's not a simple choice of immigration or no immigration. It's a question of control...and who governs that control. Call me old-fashioned if you will, but I believe such decisions should by the UK, not Brussels.  :y
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« Reply #26 on: 31 October 2013, 23:35:04 »

And that's where I'm confused.

Monopolies and mergers we all hate.  Closed shops we all hate. Yet when competition is introduced, competition that is superior as Rods suggests, we want to shut the doors, shut up shop and hide under the duvet.

Mmmmno. Not me. Where's the progress there? The development? The learning? Competition is good. Its progress. And we can't progress without it.

Uk simply can't afford arrogance in the belief we have everything we need. We don't. Professionally speaking of course.

No, we want controlled immigration to enable us to pick and choose who we allow into this country — as they do in Australia, Canada, US, etc. It's not a simple choice of immigration or no immigration. It's a question of control...and who governs that control. Call me old-fashioned if you will, but I believe such decisions should by the UK, not Brussels.   :y

Abso FREAKIN Lutely  :y :y :y :y :y :y
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« Reply #27 on: 01 November 2013, 06:52:15 »

There are alot of manual jobs that tend to be filled by migrant workers that the unemployed or plain lazy should/could be doing... trouble is those people see things like cleaning as being beneath them >:( better to be working than scrounging, if only for the sake of pride surely  :-\

As already suggested, the majority of those who have come here from Poland and the like have a solid work ethic and have come here to work, so will gladly do the jobs that many here wouldn't inspite of some employers paying them less than they might pay locally. And I very much doubt that they choose to come here for the hell of it... I mean, would you leave the UK and move a couple of thousand miles away from your family/friends to a country whose language is not your own unless there was a significant improvement in your life?

Didn't think so...
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albitz

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« Reply #28 on: 01 November 2013, 07:50:58 »

Historically and even until quite recently,British people have been among the hardest working in the world. However,the welfare state (a great thing at its inception) has been perverted to be used as a political tool. Firstly it was buying peoples votes with their own money,and latterly buying peoples votes with other peoples money.
We ended up with a large chunk of what used to be the working class,living on benefits,and if they had children (the more the merrier)or convinced a GP they had a bad back/ depression or some other hard to disprove ailment,they could end up with more money by sitting at home than they could by doing a days work.
That's the point at which people from Poland etc. came here to do th jobs "the British didn't want to do". If the Polish welfare state was the same as ours,they wouldn't have came here to do the jobs,would they ?
How to put things right ? Stop more people coming to do low skilled jobs,and then as the low skill jobs become available give the unemployed the choice of taking them,or a complete loss of benefits.
Then,over time British workers wil once again be as good as any others. Its no coincidence that the country with the most generous welfare system in the world,is the country that felt the need to import a whole new working class.
We started with the honourable and admirable system of lifting people out of abject poverty,and ended up with the grotesque chaos of a government being accused of taking the food from the mouths of the poor and starving,because they wanted to lower the limit of welfare payments to £600 per week - which is considerably higher than the majority the population earn.
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Re: Crowded Britain
« Reply #29 on: 01 November 2013, 08:22:12 »

There are alot of manual jobs that tend to be filled by migrant workers that the unemployed or plain lazy should/could be doing... trouble is those people see things like cleaning as being beneath them >:( better to be working than scrounging, if only for the sake of pride surely  :-\
As already suggested, the majority of those who have come here from Poland and the like have a solid work ethic and have come here to work, so will gladly do the jobs that many here wouldn't inspite of some employers paying them less than they might pay locally. And I very much doubt that they choose to come here for the hell of it... I mean, would you leave the UK and move a couple of thousand miles away from your family/friends to a country whose language is not your own unless there was a significant improvement in your life?

Didn't think so...



Nail on the head comes to mind  :y

To that, you can add the immigrants that have come over here legally, got there head down and kept there mouths shut, learnt a trade and got on with making a life for themselves and there family instead of whining and whinging about pay, pensions and conditions all the time.

It has got to the point where if the UK firms have the choice of 2 potential employees with identical qualifications ....... 1 British and 1 foreign then they will pick the foreign person because they have a better chance of a decent days work out them  :(

Its becoming a common pre conception that all UK workers are lazy barstewards  >:( >:(
Well that 'dangle berries' too  >:( >:(
There are a hell of a lot of people out there who WANT to work but are never given the chance because they are deemed too old, or get tarred with the same brush as the wasters who hang around the jobcentre every 2 weeks

In my part of the world, the unemployment is that bad that by the age of 40, you are on the scrap heap unless you can get one of the very few skilled jobs around through the back door / contacts inside the firm so to speak.

The manual labour jobs are mostly zero hour contracts / temps now and you have no choice but to go through a agency.
The biggest problem in that is that most of these agencies may be UK registered companies but they are only interested in employing non UK workers because of the stigma that surrounds us.

As for the petition, waste of time for the reasons already said BUT signed because it made me feel a little better for 5 minutes  :)


Solution to the problem ..................

Tell the EU to stick it
Close the borders for 5 years minimum to unskilled workers whether they have a job waiting though one of the dodgy agencies or not.
Start a phased deportation of non skilled workers and replace them with British born workers.
If the British worker does not pull his weight then he get no welfare whatsoever and starves  :y

Make a list of the skills this country needs to survive. These courses should be massively subsidised by the British tax payer for the benefit of the students BORN in these islands. Not somebody who arrived here under a lorry because some garlic crunching security guard in Calais looked the other way with his governments blessing, hung around the social security office for 10 years bleating asylum then get handed a passport by our wonderful government of the day and being told they are now BRITISH  >:( >:( >:( 
Some of the money saved from leaving the EU should be ploughed back into full time education to pay for this and infrastructure projects in the areas of the UK that needs it, NOT Kent and the south east / west who have had the lions share of money for too long  :P :P

Bring back National Service / Work parties for those lazy scumbags who refuse to work for a living.
I'm sure out outposts like the Falklands could do with some forced labour to do manual work and improve there infrastructure (roads ect) 

Also tax breaks for all companies who employ British workers so it makes it more economically viable.

   

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