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EU opt-outs not worth the paper they're written on
« on: 12 November 2013, 20:17:05 »

We opt out of a law, but then the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg rules that the law applies in the UK.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/top-judge-surprised-that-controversial-eu-laws-that-we-blocked-are-now-legally-binding-8934773.html?origin=internalSearch
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Re: EU opt-outs not worth the paper they're written on
« Reply #1 on: 12 November 2013, 21:53:50 »

.... and if a 'top judge' finds himself surprised at this, what hope do the rest of us have?!  ::)
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Re: EU opt-outs not worth the paper they're written on
« Reply #2 on: 12 November 2013, 23:05:35 »

Kinda begs the question of why we are paying for parliament and the whole judiciary if they are merely lap-dogs. ::)
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Re: EU opt-outs not worth the paper they're written on
« Reply #3 on: 13 November 2013, 00:41:18 »

This country has been ruled from Brussels since the single European act was signed by Margaret Thatcher. The power ratchet since then of obtaining more and more power through further treaties and having supremacy over our democratically elected Parliament in London by an appointed dictatorship in Brussels has been there since then, it is just a matter of degree of control. This control is growing all of the time so now about 80% of our laws and regulations are made by an unelected dictatorship in Brussels. Once they have absolute power and control and a European army, you will see what living under a totalitarian dictatorship is about. How they are accumulating power through democratic means to have absolute power and control is also how Hitler obtained power, so don't be under any illusions on how this is going to end.

French law that the EU is based upon means everything is illegal unless it is specifically made legal, whereas UK common law is based upon everything is legal unless made illegal. Guess which system requires the most regulation and the most control over their citizens?

Don't forget the most powerful man in Brussels in the commission president José Manuel Durão Barroso an ex-Maoist. I will let you decide how 'ex' he is. This to me this is the overriding reason for leaving the UK because as a libertarian I will not live under a dictatorship. Anybody who thinks we are not is IMHO is living in denial. Remember, during the holocaust most Jews even at the death camps, where is was well known what was going on, walking into the death chamber hoping for the best. I personally not one to march with the sheeple.

I have seen first hand the devastation that 75 years of failed 'one size fits all' Soviet economic experimentation has had on the Ukraine and a similar fate as we can see with the PIIGS awaits much of Europe for much the same reasons. One size does not fit all, unless you force it too like they are at the moment in the Southern periphery and Stalin did with the 1932 Holodomor in the Ukraine and Khruschev did in 1956 in Hungary.

The EU and how it was set up was all about not allowing 'dangerous' democracy after what happened in Germany under Hitler, the people were not to be trusted. The fact Hitler subverted and stole the peoples democracy is now being repeated by the EU, ironic isn't it. The EU after the crushing defeat on France in WWII was also about reasserting French Hegemony. French designs on being the most powerful European country have been there since before Napoleon Bonaparte and have never ended well. Unfortunately, as we can all see by far the most powerful country in Western Europe is Germany, economic conditions through the ECB are set for what is best for Germany. Sarkozy showed he was just Merkel's lap dog and Hollende is not even invited to pee on her boots. Welcome to the new European order.

Never forget absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is not going to end well.
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Re: EU opt-outs not worth the paper they're written on
« Reply #4 on: 13 November 2013, 01:48:49 »

Fear not.The pendulum is swinging back the other way. I mean, Jack Straw and David Blunkett are now right wing, knee jerk reactionary, racist swivel eyed loons. ;) :D
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Re: EU opt-outs not worth the paper they're written on
« Reply #5 on: 13 November 2013, 08:53:25 »

Why are the majority of our elected representatives so loathe to ever give us say in the matter of both the EU, and the European Court of Human Rights. >:( >:( >:(

The country want a referendum now to have our say, not to be dictated to by the arsewipes in Westminster :y
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