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[Richie London]

ive been sitting here pondering over this for the last few days.

when i was 12 i joined the scouts, they taught me everything i could about basically everything, sailing survival mountaneering, and so on. eric the leader lived a few doors away from us and was a good friend to my dad. he was someone everyone looked up to including me, he taught me respect, trust and friendship to all, well nealry. but that was the movement, over the yrs its declined because of the stories of paedofiles and abusers but i cant ever recalling any stories, my kids both joined 3 yrs ago and eric still runs it, a man i could trust with my heart. not many kids there now, 3 or 4 each week so they left, so imagine after knowing someone in this position for over 35 yrs  that he has been charged with sexual material that he shouldnt. was shocked, donloading only, not actaul sexual contact, well sunday i see him, i got out my car at my mums but i couldnt look at him. hes destroyed all the trust that people had in him hes totally tarnished the scout movement for good and hes destroyed his own life now as well.

best thing anyone could ever do as a child was join the movements
 

[psychnurse]

I was a scout and then went on to become a cub scout leader. I had to give this up as my EMPLOYER asked if I had ever had any allegations made against me. obviously I have not, but, even the THREAT of it is enough to interfear with my employment!?

The scouts taught me so much, and I enjoyed giving back something too. However, if I wanted promotion it was get out or no promotion!!! sick eh??

[mantahatch]

I think anyone who wants to work with kids is probably open to being that way inclined.
Many years ago a list was published and then quietly forgotten, it listed the 10 most likely people to be child abusers, I forget the order now but it was something like-
Teacher
Scout leader
Priest/Vicar
Youth club worker
There where a lot more but I can't remeber them now.

Mike

[Golfbuddy]

I think anyone who wants to work with kids is probably open to being that way inclined.Many years ago a list was published and then quietly forgotten, it listed the 10 most likely people to be child abusers, I forget the order now but it was something like-
Teacher
Scout leader
Priest/Vicar
Youth club worker
There where a lot more but I can't remeber them now.

Mike

I hope that this is a demonstration of poor syntax rather than a seriously held belief? Are you seriously suggesting that people who want to work with children are likely to have a proclivity towards child abuse?

[mantahatch]

I think anyone who wants to work with kids is probably open to being that way inclined.Many years ago a list was published and then quietly forgotten, it listed the 10 most likely people to be child abusers, I forget the order now but it was something like-
Teacher
Scout leader
Priest/Vicar
Youth club worker
There where a lot more but I can't remeber them now.

Mike

I hope that this is a demonstration of poor syntax rather than a seriously held belief? Are you seriously suggesting that people who want to work with children are likely to have a proclivity towards child abuse?

Not as such a serious belief, but an observation. It would appear
a certain type of person is drawn to working with kids for the wrong reasons.
I am not saying everyone who works with kids is an abuser.

Mike

[Grumpy]

I think what folks are saying here, is that paedophiles will try
and get themselves within an organization that will get them
close to children and also give them a degree of misplaced
trust.

This will, unfortunately, cast suspicion on the vast majority
of normal people that work with children, who would rather
stick pins in their eyes than harm a child.

It's a sad fact of life. But there it is.

[Golfbuddy]

I think anyone who wants to work with kids is probably open to being that way inclined.Many years ago a list was published and then quietly forgotten, it listed the 10 most likely people to be child abusers, I forget the order now but it was something like-
Teacher
Scout leader
Priest/Vicar
Youth club worker
There where a lot more but I can't remeber them now.

Mike

I hope that this is a demonstration of poor syntax rather than a seriously held belief? Are you seriously suggesting that people who want to work with children are likely to have a proclivity towards child abuse?

Not as such a serious belief, but an observation. It would appear
a certain type of person is drawn to working with kids for the wrong reasons.
I am not saying everyone who works with kids is an abuser.

Mike

Thanks for the clarification. The phrase, 'I think anyone who wants to work with kids....' was at best misguided.  

[mantahatch]

I think what folks are saying here, is that paedophiles will try
and get themselves within an organization that will get them
close to children and also give them a degree of misplaced
trust.

This will, unfortunately, cast suspicion on the vast majority
of normal people that work with children, who would rather
stick pins in their eyes than harm a child.

It's a sad fact of life. But there it is.

Thank you Grumpy, that what I meant to say. But words fail me when I need them.

Mike

[Gaffers]

I was a scout and then went on to become a cub scout leader. I had to give this up as my EMPLOYER asked if I had ever had any allegations made against me. obviously I have not, but, even the THREAT of it is enough to interfear with my employment!?

The scouts taught me so much, and I enjoyed giving back something too. However, if I wanted promotion it was get out or no promotion!!! sick eh??

Not one for standing on the soapbox but..... You know that is classic discrimination......

[Vamps]

I missed this somehow, and given the time of night and the whisky drank I shall not respond to some of the comments made.

[hotel21]

I missed this somehow, and given the time of night and the whisky drank I shall not respond to some of the comments made.

Likewise...

Will catch up with this in the morning....

Basic moral of any story - do not tar all with the same brush.....  

There are thousands of good and well minded people (male and female) who give up masses of their own free time in order educate disadvantaged youngsters in the ways of the wider world.  And I do not mean anything whatsoever of a tawdry or remotely sexual, misguided or similar nature.....

Meaning the basics of right and wrong, respect for others as well as themselves and being supportive of others who are more disadvantaged than they personally are.

A shame that some continue to spoil the good works of some by taking advantage, irrespective of the safeguards invoked.