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Deactivated ordnance legality?
« on: 28 January 2014, 18:04:54 »

Can I legally posses an empty pineapple style hand grenade?? not very clear on the web?  Good reason for asking as I want to take it into my daughters school ( obviously asking them if it's ok first )  for her as part of her WW2 project. Pretty sure I am fine owning it but transporting it might be a different issue ;D

Probably one of OOf's stranger questions... ;D
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #1 on: 28 January 2014, 18:49:36 »

What's the worst that can happen?
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #2 on: 28 January 2014, 19:00:03 »

Can I legally posses an empty pineapple style hand grenade?? not very clear on the web?  Good reason for asking as I want to take it into my daughters school ( obviously asking them if it's ok first )  for her as part of her WW2 project. Pretty sure I am fine owning it but transporting it might be a different issue ;D

Probably one of OOf's stranger questions... ;D
Assuming you refer to a "Mills" type grenade. How do you know it`s empty? Was it officially de-activated by one of the "proof" houses, if so does it carry the official stamp. Do you have paperwork confirming de-activation?
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #3 on: 28 January 2014, 19:31:13 »

Can I legally posses an empty pineapple style hand grenade?? not very clear on the web?  Good reason for asking as I want to take it into my daughters school ( obviously asking them if it's ok first )  for her as part of her WW2 project. Pretty sure I am fine owning it but transporting it might be a different issue ;D

Probably one of OOf's stranger questions... ;D
Assuming you refer to a "Mills" type grenade. How do you know it`s empty? Was it officially de-activated by one of the "proof" houses, if so does it carry the official stamp. Do you have paperwork confirming de-activation?



Pull the pin  :-\ :D

I believe if its being deactivated, it should have a stamp with a serial number and a certificate with it.
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #4 on: 28 January 2014, 19:46:01 »

If you want i can give a mate of mine a call,he is ex bomb disposal .
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #5 on: 28 January 2014, 19:50:10 »

Please, please, please can you deliver it by rolling up to an open window and throwing it through? Video the event for our enjoyment, naturally.

*I'm not sure what carries a worse penalty in these NonceSense times, throwing deactivated grenades into schools, or using a video camera on site...
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #6 on: 29 January 2014, 09:41:01 »

Get 'em to kick it around the playground for half an hour. If nothing goes pear shaped, it's probably been deactivated. :y
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #7 on: 29 January 2014, 09:44:08 »

Please, please, please can you deliver it by rolling up to an open window and throwing it through? Video the event for our enjoyment, naturally.

*I'm not sure what carries a worse penalty in these NonceSense times, throwing deactivated grenades into schools, or using a video camera on site...

I reckon we all know the answer to that one! ;D

Failing that you'd be arrested for a terrorist act..
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #8 on: 29 January 2014, 11:41:55 »

Being Liverpool, one could reasonably expect every pupil to already possess their own grenades, surely :P
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #9 on: 29 January 2014, 12:53:05 »

Being Liverpool, one could reasonably expect every pupil to already possess their own grenades, surely :P


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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #10 on: 29 January 2014, 13:07:46 »

Being Liverpool, one could reasonably expect every pupil to already possess their own grenades, surely :P


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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #11 on: 29 January 2014, 15:47:18 »

Being Liverpool, one could reasonably expect every pupil to already possess their own grenades, surely :P


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« Reply #12 on: 29 January 2014, 18:04:38 »

Funny you should ask that!

My youngest brother, like me an historian specializing in 20th century warefare, my father and I once walked the battlefields of the Great War.  Found ordnance galore, but decided to bring back a full clip of .303 British bullets, plus a single one (that I kept) all in "as new condition" thanks to the Belgium mud.  Just brought them back via the ferry, but always wondered what could have happened if they jad been spotted by customs!!  They obviously were not the rusting shells or grenades that we found in bulk, as that would have been stupidly dangerous!  But have never really researched what the law actually says on ordnance transportation, preferring to stay ignorant! ::) ::) ::) ::)

I guess as long as bullets are in good condition and you do not also carry an Enfield .303 rifle, that can be used to fire them, you are fine.  A hand grenade with a pin that could fall apart / fall out, as we found plenty of, must be a different proposition however!! :o :o :o :o :D :D :D ;)

But you say it is empty, so I cannot see that is a problem and would be classed as "deactivitated" or like a dummy grenade. :y
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #13 on: 29 January 2014, 18:30:34 »

Funny you should ask that!

My youngest brother, like me an historian specializing in 20th century warefare, my father and I once walked the battlefields of the Great War.  Found ordnance galore, but decided to bring back a full clip of .303 British bullets, plus a single one (that I kept) all in "as new condition" thanks to the Belgium mud.  Just brought them back via the ferry, but always wondered what could have happened if they jad been spotted by customs!!  They obviously were not the rusting shells or grenades that we found in bulk, as that would have been stupidly dangerous!  But have never really researched what the law actually says on ordnance transportation, preferring to stay ignorant! ::) ::) ::) ::)

I guess as long as bullets are in good condition and you do not also carry an Enfield .303 rifle, that can be used to fire them, you are fine.  A hand grenade with a pin that could fall apart / fall out, as we found plenty of, must be a different proposition however!! :o :o :o :o :D :D :D ;)

But you say it is empty, so I cannot see that is a problem and would be classed as "deactivitated" or like a dummy grenade. :y

We were at the Somme back in the summer and read that they still find something like 90 tons of ordnance a year after almost 100 years :o
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Re: Deactivated ordnance legality?
« Reply #14 on: 29 January 2014, 19:04:35 »

Not sure on the legalities,but assuming all is well deactivation wise then I would say that as long as it's not on public view and probably as long as it's not within reach of passengers during the transportation process then I would have thought that would be o.k.In other words put it in a box or something and transport it in the boot.As you say though square it with the school first.
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