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[Taxi_Driver]

Heres a question im trying to find the answer to........

At the moment my Omega is licensed for a PHV by Swindon Borough council......which as the firm i work for is located in Swindon and has an operators license also from Swindon council makes sense

Now the firm is trying to expand a bit into surrounding villages....its not moving its two offices in Swindon......just trying to get more trade from the villages and to do this has dropped any plus mileage charge........ie now the villages are 'in area'

The next bit i am assuming.......

Some of the villages they are trying to 'move in' on are not controlled by Swindon Borough Council.....they are controlled by North Wilts District Council/Vale of White Horse Council/A.N.Other and to remain legal have applied for operator licenses in those districts.

I have discovered today that the firm now has operating licenses by those councils for the villages........

Now the question is........as my firm now has an operating license for say  N.W. District council........can I license my Omega with N.W District council and still use it in and around Swindon??

The reason im trying to find out......N.W. District council will license PH cars upto 10 years old......whereas Swindon Council is 5 years.

I know theres a couple of other TD's on here or the officers in blue might know  :-/

[carlos_fandango]

Hiya, me TD too in my meega. Newcastle borough council.

As far am aware because the firm has operators licence in the other area, they should be working out of a base in those areas, therefore technically you should be able to get yours plated by the other council.

Our application asks if the vehicle has or is licenced by another council.

Hope this mish mash helps.

Carlos

[carlos_fandango]

Plus you are allowed to pick up pre booked fares outside your own area.

We regularly pick up in cheshire / derbyshire yet we are in staffordshire.

[Markjay]

...alternatively TD, you can change your ageing omega for a nice new 180 Kompressor....  

[hotel21]

Not a lot of time to reply at the moment TD but heres a quick and dirty as i understand things up this way.

As its a PH vehicle and not a straight hackney, you can only uplift from prearranged hires and not 'on the street'.

Its licenced for only one Council area at the moment and so, as I see it, can only ply/uplift within that Council patch.

Whats further unknown if, however, it can be licenced in both at the same time but thats not the reason for asking, I suspect, more the age relaxation thing.....

Personally, I'm not sure you will be able to licence in one area and operate in another without dual badging...

[dad1uk]

I am not sure about Private Hire, but in Birmingham there is a problem for the Black Cabs who go to Birmingham airport and the NEC. Both of these are in the town of Solihull.
The cabs have 2 plates on. 1 for Birmingham and 1 for Solihull.
As far as I know the Private Hire just keep to their area ie Birmingham or Solihull.

[carlos_fandango]

Hackney Carriages are NOT allowed to ply for hire outside their controlling district, but can drop off anywhere they want. Surprised about the multiple plate though on the airports   kinda defeats the object of having a controlling district.

However Private Hire is just that, privately pre booked hire by a fare paying customer, so we are allowed to pick up anywhere in the Uk.  

[Taxi_Driver]

Hiya, me TD too in my meega. Newcastle borough council.

As far am aware because the firm has operators licence in the other area, they should be working out of a base in those areas, therefore technically you should be able to get yours plated by the other council.

Our application asks if the vehicle has or is licenced by another council.

Hope this mish mash helps.

Carlos

Well....thats what i was kinda thinking  

[Taxi_Driver]

Not a lot of time to reply at the moment TD but heres a quick and dirty as i understand things up this way.

As its a PH vehicle and not a straight hackney, you can only uplift from prearranged hires and not 'on the street'.

Its licenced for only one Council area at the moment and so, as I see it, can only ply/uplift within that Council patch.

Whats further unknown if, however, it can be licenced in both at the same time but thats not the reason for asking, I suspect, more the age relaxation thing.....

Personally, I'm not sure you will be able to licence in one area and operate in another without dual badging...

As its a PH vehicle and not a straight hackney, you can only uplift from prearranged hires and not 'on the street'.

Correct  

Its licenced for only one Council area at the moment and so, as I see it, can only ply/uplift within that Council patch.

Not strictly true........i can pick up outa area and drop outa area.....as long as prebooked.....BUT.....there used to be a 'plus mileage' charged.......ie.....Wottoon Basset (local village about a few miles outa town, but in NW council)) used to be £8 for a local run (£4 charged for 'plus mileage') now its £4......no plus mileage.....so how i see it (rightly or wrongly  :-/ ) Swindon council were happy when a plus mileage was being charged.......now its not.....Swindon council see it as a NW council issue.....and hence why firm applied for a NW council operators license........any firm isnt gonna apply for licenses it doesnt need......well thats why i think they have applied and got licenses for surrounding boroughs  :-/

[amigov6]

I used to hold a Hackney carriage licence issued by Lewes district council in E Sx. Although i worked out of Lewes my licence allowed me to sit on any rank or be flagged in Peacehaven, Newhaven, Seaford & any other area covered by said District Council.
   I imagine being private hire you can pick up/drop off fares anywhere you please providing they're pre booked.
    Cars had to be less than 5 yrs old for first plate & could run to 10yrs old. (not many lasted that long!!!)

[Taxi_Driver]

I am not sure about Private Hire, but in Birmingham there is a problem for the Black Cabs who go to Birmingham airport and the NEC. Both of these are in the town of Solihull.
The cabs have 2 plates on. 1 for Birmingham and 1 for Solihull.
As far as I know the Private Hire just keep to their area ie Birmingham or Solihull.

Ive never heard of that one either  

[dad1uk]

I am not sure about Private Hire, but in Birmingham there is a problem for the Black Cabs who go to Birmingham airport and the NEC. Both of these are in the town of Solihull.
The cabs have 2 plates on. 1 for Birmingham and 1 for Solihull.
As far as I know the Private Hire just keep to their area ie Birmingham or Solihull.

Ive never heard of that one either  

It's only on the Black Cabs that I've seen this, they have two plates fitted to the boot. They usually have the same badge number, but 1 plate is for Solihull and one plate is for Birmingham.
I know the P/H cars stick to their area for pick ups, but can drop off anywhere, but I can pre-order an Birmingham P/H car to collect me from Birmingham Airport which is in Solihull.
Mind boggling and crazy.

[theowletman]

It all depends on the local authorities involved. Up here in Newcastle upon Tyne they are not issuing any more hack licences, to get round this one of the biggest taxi firms, Blueline, 300 cars, are licencing them in Berwick upon Tweed, about 75 miles north and almost into Scotland. The local authority doesn't want to know. My understanding of the rules for private hire are that it is pre-arranged bookings only, and it doesn't matter where you pick up from as long as it is pre-arranged. If you took a client to Heathrow and he wanted picking up on the return journey you could do it even though it is beyond Swindon ( I think its out of Swindons boundaries ).

[Taxi_Driver]

Well I found out the answer.....

Its NO  

I went to see an old base operator with years of experience..and since he doesnt work for my firm would give me his unbiased opinion.

If the firm i work for have an operating license for North Wilts district.....but dont have an office there........then no i carnt.....if they did then yes I can.

He clarified for me the picking up and dropping outa area........as long as its prebooked...it doesnt matter the charges applied....and perfectly legal.

But my firm may have an office in North Wilts shortly  :-/ because the guy i spoke to asked what licenses they held........i told him, Swindon obviously, North Wilts, Vale of the White Horse and also Coltswold......he reckoned the only reason they hold all those licenses are they must be planning on take overs of other firms in those districts.

Its a bit of a mindfield trying to understand all the rules.......as the guy i spoke to.......has a car licenced by one authority and has a PH drivers licence by another.......work that one out and its legal  

[carlos_fandango]

Well I found out the answer.....

Its NO  

I went to see an old base operator with years of experience..and since he doesnt work for my firm would give me his unbiased opinion.

If the firm i work for have an operating license for North Wilts district.....but dont have an office there........then no i carnt.....if they did then yes I can.

He clarified for me the picking up and dropping outa area........as long as its prebooked...it doesnt matter the charges applied....and perfectly legal.

But my firm may have an office in North Wilts shortly  :-/ because the guy i spoke to asked what licenses they held........i told him, Swindon obviously, North Wilts, Vale of the White Horse and also Coltswold......he reckoned the only reason they hold all those licenses are they must be planning on take overs of other firms in those districts.

Its a bit of a mindfield trying to understand all the rules.......as the guy i spoke to.......has a car licenced by one authority and has a PH drivers licence by another.......work that one out and its legal  

Thats what i thought might be the answer.

How is the PH business in the rest of the country, busy or not?
Its absolulutely terrible here in staffs. Am about a 1/3 my normal takings down since xmas.