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Farage still won't put his money where his mouth is, and stand for Parliament.

[cleggy]

I agree with him not standing, far too risky and will take focus from the European elections. He has no relationship with Nottinghamshire better to put a local candidate and campaign like crazy.

I bet Camerloon is relieved.

[tigers_gonads]

Why shouldn't cyclists obey the highway code and get insurance 

Makes sense to me

How does a 7 year old get insurance? 

What makes the difference between someone only cycling off road in forests (so no highway rules) compared to a London commuter, also compared to a 5 year old girl riding down the Close she lives?

The parents of said little girl are responsible for her actions so any liability insurance would be in their name until she is old enough 
Going back many years, my lad who was about 7 years old at the time fell of his bike and the peddle took a nice 4 inch chunk out of the paint on a friends car door.
Nobody was happy about it but it was a accident so I repaired it myself out of my own pocket.

At the end of the day, people should be responsible for there actions but as it is at the moment, IF you catch them the only way you can get them to fork out for the damage is to take out a civil action though the court system to reclaim any moneys owed. or you could take them for a ride in the back of a van with a shovel, can of petrol and a bag of lime 

[Kevin Wood]

.. but cycle parking at "reasonable rates"?

The railings outside my favourite pub are quite reasonable already, thanks.

.. and dismounting at roundabouts and busy junctions?

Sorry - they are just pandering to the white van man / black cab driver "gor blimey! I pay my road tax. thinks he owns the effing road!" types, as with most of their policies.

He's right to concentrate in the european elections. If my tax money is going to be wasted sending people to Brussels then it might as well be someone who's going to administer a swift poke in the eye to the EU, but I think UKIP have got a lot to learn before they become palatable enough for domestic politics.

[05omegav6]

Why shouldn't cyclists obey the highway code and get insurance 

Makes sense to me

How does a 7 year old get insurance? 

What makes the difference between someone only cycling off road in forests (so no highway rules) compared to a London commuter, also compared to a 5 year old girl riding down the Close she lives?

Presumably when they do their cycling proficiency test they get a certificate... that could be used as a basis. Legally children are considered as below the age of responsibility, with the exception of serious crimes, so perhaps it is irrelevant before say 12/14...

A solution to insurance, or lack of generally, would be to incorporate a basic level of third party insurance in your driving licence. That way, if anyone has a licence, they would actually be insured. You would then be able to buy top up insurance to suit your needs.

If the licence was also an identity card, no reason why you couldn't add cycling proficiency/insurance to it as a minimum. This could be from 16 and replace the National Insurance card too...

[Rods2]

My understanding is that in Germany you have to have liability insurance for your children. This I think would make parent take a bit more interest what their children get up to in an evening, if they are risking losing their no claims bonus and a big hike in their premiums.

[Kevin Wood]

My understanding is that in Germany you have to have liability insurance for your children. This I think would make parent take a bit more interest what their children get up to in an evening, if they are risking losing their no claims bonus and a big hike in their premiums.

Sadly, many of the parents of the most troublesome children here probably have no sense of financial responsibility or parental responsibility, so it wouldn't work.

Besides, the fewer things in life that are subject to compulsory insurance, and hence compulsory interference and extortion from the insurance industry, the better, IMHO.

[tunnie]

Why shouldn't cyclists obey the highway code and get insurance 

Makes sense to me

How does a 7 year old get insurance? 

What makes the difference between someone only cycling off road in forests (so no highway rules) compared to a London commuter, also compared to a 5 year old girl riding down the Close she lives?

Presumably when they do their cycling proficiency test they get a certificate... that could be used as a basis. Legally children are considered as below the age of responsibility, with the exception of serious crimes, so perhaps it is irrelevant before say 12/14...

A solution to insurance, or lack of generally, would be to incorporate a basic level of third party insurance in your driving licence. That way, if anyone has a licence, they would actually be insured. You would then be able to buy top up insurance to suit your needs.

If the licence was also an identity card, no reason why you couldn't add cycling proficiency/insurance to it as a minimum. This could be from 16 and replace the National Insurance card too...

Can't see that happening. It would be almost impossible to enforce, police have enough problems already. Look how many dont have car insurance. Those that complain about cyclists should actually try cycling. But they won't as I bet most are not physically able to, with passing out 

[05omegav6]

The suggestion I made doesn't need extra enforcing

Licence becomes ID card, which includes third party cover. Not driving or passing a test doesn't preclude you from having one. In fact if issued at 16, then you have to present a cycling proficiency certificate with the application, which must be submitted prior to 15years ten months. Then on your sixteenth birth day you receive your id card, complete with cycling licence. At 17 you add provisional driving to it and so on. Insurance could be paid as part of normal deductions, say £10 per week. This provides all legitimate road users third party insurance for ever. Anyone driving without a licence is automatically uninsured, but any third parties would be covered same as currently. If you want extra insurance cover, then you simply pay to top it up. Car tax gets added to fuel, say 10p per litre, that way everyone pays that, again no avoiding it.

Anyone found in the event of an accident not to have a valid ID card with appropriate entitlement, faces prosecution. Cards could be renewed every five years, and bans/convictions would  require a new card to be issued. Simples

[D]

The suggestion I made doesn't need extra enforcing

Licence becomes ID card, which includes third party cover. Not driving or passing a test doesn't preclude you from having one. In fact if issued at 16, then you have to present a cycling proficiency certificate with the application, which must be submitted prior to 15years ten months. Then on your sixteenth birth day you receive your id card, complete with cycling licence. At 17 you add provisional driving to it and so on. Insurance could be paid as part of normal deductions, say £10 per week. This provides all legitimate road users third party insurance for ever. Anyone driving without a licence is automatically uninsured, but any third parties would be covered same as currently. If you want extra insurance cover, then you simply pay to top it up. Car tax gets added to fuel, say 10p per litre, that way everyone pays that, again no avoiding it.

Anyone found in the event of an accident not to have a valid ID card with appropriate entitlement, faces prosecution. Cards could be renewed every five years, and bans/convictions would  require a new card to be issued. Simples

So something that improves your health, reduces obesity, reduces disease burden on the NHS etc has to obstructed by licences and red tape? Where do you stop? What about licences for pedestrians (who may run their key along the side your car)? Children on those little push things? Old people on zimmers? I mean they have wheels and could bump into a car or cause a scratch?

[D]

The tory lab lib have missed the point , people are fed up with none of them listening .. food banks have tripled but they refuse to acknowledge there is a problem  Personal debt is increasing , folks cant afford to pay their bills but still no one listens . Bankers are still getting big bonuses and the rich still avoiding paying taxes ... wonder why folk are looking for change 

That is smack on
Lets be honest...UKIP will never form a government, Nigel Farage admits that. But as you suggest....the other main parties want the biggest kick up the jacksie that can be given. Despite UKIP having some plonkers in their midst, they will try to stop EU from dominating us.
Although you talk of their 'idiot' candidates, far be it idiots than expenses fiddlers, child molesters, and such that the other parties seem to consist of. (Not saying that UKIP may field a few)
The immoral amounts of money being poured into a dying regime is disgusting, while our national infrastructure cannot cope with housing, doctors, hospitals, railways, roads, etc, let alone mass immigration.
But, unfortunately, as has been intimated by some ....as soon as you open your mouth about immigration, you are classified rascist. This is absolutely not the case, which takes us in full circle to emd's post which states, (and I will shout)

THE MAIN PARTY'S WILL NOT LISTEN

There are about a 180 constituencies where the immigrant diaspora outnumber the local population. Which politician will risk upsetting a fifth of the voting constituencies?

Certainly not one that is contesting an election.

[05omegav6]

The suggestion I made doesn't need extra enforcing

Licence becomes ID card, which includes third party cover. Not driving or passing a test doesn't preclude you from having one. In fact if issued at 16, then you have to present a cycling proficiency certificate with the application, which must be submitted prior to 15years ten months. Then on your sixteenth birth day you receive your id card, complete with cycling licence. At 17 you add provisional driving to it and so on. Insurance could be paid as part of normal deductions, say £10 per week. This provides all legitimate road users third party insurance for ever. Anyone driving without a licence is automatically uninsured, but any third parties would be covered same as currently. If you want extra insurance cover, then you simply pay to top it up. Car tax gets added to fuel, say 10p per litre, that way everyone pays that, again no avoiding it.

Anyone found in the event of an accident not to have a valid ID card with appropriate entitlement, faces prosecution. Cards could be renewed every five years, and bans/convictions would  require a new card to be issued. Simples

So something that improves your health, reduces obesity, reduces disease burden on the NHS etc has to obstructed by licences and red tape? Where do you stop? What about licences for pedestrians (who may run their key along the side your car)? Children on those little push things? Old people on zimmers? I mean they have wheels and could bump into a car or cause a scratch?

Not extra red tape, rather a reordering of existing... central single point of insurance/id/driving licence/passport... no car tax.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The suggestion I made doesn't need extra enforcing

Licence becomes ID card, which includes third party cover. Not driving or passing a test doesn't preclude you from having one. In fact if issued at 16, then you have to present a cycling proficiency certificate with the application, which must be submitted prior to 15years ten months. Then on your sixteenth birth day you receive your id card, complete with cycling licence. At 17 you add provisional driving to it and so on. Insurance could be paid as part of normal deductions, say £10 per week. This provides all legitimate road users third party insurance for ever. Anyone driving without a licence is automatically uninsured, but any third parties would be covered same as currently. If you want extra insurance cover, then you simply pay to top it up. Car tax gets added to fuel, say 10p per litre, that way everyone pays that, again no avoiding it.

Anyone found in the event of an accident not to have a valid ID card with appropriate entitlement, faces prosecution. Cards could be renewed every five years, and bans/convictions would  require a new card to be issued. Simples

Membership applications for Taxi Al's New Communist Party should be sent to PO Box 666, Sussex and don't forget Comrades to include a 600 Ruble Postal Order! 

[D]

The suggestion I made doesn't need extra enforcing

Licence becomes ID card, which includes third party cover. Not driving or passing a test doesn't preclude you from having one. In fact if issued at 16, then you have to present a cycling proficiency certificate with the application, which must be submitted prior to 15years ten months. Then on your sixteenth birth day you receive your id card, complete with cycling licence. At 17 you add provisional driving to it and so on. Insurance could be paid as part of normal deductions, say £10 per week. This provides all legitimate road users third party insurance for ever. Anyone driving without a licence is automatically uninsured, but any third parties would be covered same as currently. If you want extra insurance cover, then you simply pay to top it up. Car tax gets added to fuel, say 10p per litre, that way everyone pays that, again no avoiding it.

Anyone found in the event of an accident not to have a valid ID card with appropriate entitlement, faces prosecution. Cards could be renewed every five years, and bans/convictions would  require a new card to be issued. Simples

So something that improves your health, reduces obesity, reduces disease burden on the NHS etc has to obstructed by licences and red tape? Where do you stop? What about licences for pedestrians (who may run their key along the side your car)? Children on those little push things? Old people on zimmers? I mean they have wheels and could bump into a car or cause a scratch?

Not extra red tape, rather a reordering of existing... central single point of insurance/id/driving licence/passport... no car tax.

And how many centuries would that take to sort out?

[05omegav6]

Twas but a suggestion based on this system...

http://www.icbc.com/ 

Be sorted before the NHS