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[Kevin Wood]

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1/. Too many people in this country so immigration needs to be stopped immediately and British born citizens should be given priority on all jobs if they have the skills set can be @rsed to get out of bed in the morning.
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Fixed that for you.

The thing is, growth is what fuels politicians. They rely on it to depreciate their overspending. Without it they'd have to be in control of the national debt. Whether that be growth in population, growth in immigration, growth in the construction industry, doesn't matter. Despite what they might say, they will go for as much of it as they can grab, so expect a future of housing developments that make you feel like a battery hen and the development of every area of open space.

[Rog]

I have to say that my thoughts on house values are a bit confused 

On the one hand the Mrs & I have done quite well out of it. Hard at first (15% rates) but then moved up the ladder, with our last London house almost quadrupling in value. We then sell up and buy a similar house in Wales for what is to us, quite cheap 

However, we have two kids in mid/late 20s who can't afford the huge deposits required and the sky high prices, so are coughing up big rents making landlords rich. At some stage it is fairly sure that they will need help from the Bank of Mum & Dad if they are to get on the property ladder, and bang goes a big lump of savings 

[tigers_gonads]

1/. Too many people in this country so immigration needs to be stopped immediately and British born citizens should be given priority on all jobs if they have the skills set can be @rsed to get out of bed in the morning.


Don't believe the shite that these (so called) reality programs spit out because the world has changed big style 
 
I used to think like that Kev but having been basically told that because i'm pushing 50, was my own boss for 23 years, and due to the lack of jobs / oppsing migrant workers / people on the dole that are younger then me or left school so have more years to give, i'm pretty much stuffed when it comes down to employment unless I can find a back door in somehow 
I now look at it totally different 

Rog ....... This may sound callous or even sick but my parents are now in there 70's with a nice property and a few quid / nice pension.
I part of me is waiting for them to pop there clogs so with my half of the estate I can buy my council house.
That will be my inheritance to my son 

[Sir Tigger KC]

That will be my inheritance to my son 

The trouble is none of us can bank on getting any sort of inheritance these days as people live longer and require expensive care in their old age. 

My friend's Dad has recently died after suffering from alzhiemers for 4 years and was in residential care for 3 of those, which wiped out their saving's and his Mum has been left deeply in debt!    It's very sad as they worked hard all their lives and were set for a comfortable retirement. 

[steve6367]

there are not enough and they are too pricey.

I think most people would agree.

Carney( Bank of England governor) says there is insufficient housing.

Clegg (an unimportant man) says "The government's Help to Buy scheme could be "pared back" if the Bank of England believes the housing market is overheating".

I read the other day about imaginative deals that were being done so that people could magically afford a mortgage. It is Fanny Mae all over again!

Does anyone remember crippling interest rates at 15%?
Does anyone remember two point five your salary for a mortgage maximum.?

There is a bit of deja vu with it all.

I disagree quite strongly, we can not simply keep building everywhere.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I don't agree that theres not enough houses, as such. More that the levels of immigration are way too high. There isn't enough room on the island to build to the level required for the existing population.

Too many buyers for the number of houses on sake, mostly due to immigration.

The simple fact we live on a small island.

We simply can't build 230,000 homes a year, every year. There isn't room.

We can restrict sales to uk citizens though. And that will slow prices down in London massively.

Blimey you'll reading The Fail and voting UKIP at this rate Chris!!   

[chrisgixer]

There are, of course other areas where immigration has its advantages. It could be said that immigration has improved the economy, in that everyone's houses are now making them more money, and a lot of companies are still afloat, where they could very well have gone under.

Personally I don't see it as a political issue. But more of a competence one, as usual, in that the management have failed, utterly, to control.... Well, anything really.

[Rog]

This is going to sound like some right wing rant . . . . but

When population increases gradually as a result of natural growth such as increased longevity, reduced infant mortality, better healthcare etc, the resources (housing, healthcare, roads etc) to deal with that increase has time to evolve and keep pace. The UK population has experienced a very unnatural increase in population over a short period of time, thus the strain on housing, healthcare, education, and let us not forget our roads. People like to have cars, so more people equals more cars, more cars equals more congestion. As the focal points for imigrants are of course the major cities, work, percieved better opportunities etc, it is the urban areas that bare the brunt of overcrowding . . . .  . all of which is a major part of the reason I moved to Wales 



 

[Varche]

This is going to sound like some right wing rant . . . . but

When population increases gradually as a result of natural growth such as increased longevity, reduced infant mortality, better healthcare etc, the resources (housing, healthcare, roads etc) to deal with that increase has time to evolve and keep pace. The UK population has experienced a very unnatural increase in population over a short period of time, thus the strain on housing, healthcare, education, and let us not forget our roads. People like to have cars, so more people equals more cars, more cars equals more congestion. As the focal points for imigrants are of course the major cities, work, percieved better opportunities etc, it is the urban areas that bare the brunt of overcrowding . . . .  . all of which is a major part of the reason I moved to Wales

Rog, when you find Wales to crowded, busy and over populated, I can find you somewhere in Spain where you will have plenty of space!!

[Stemo]

This is going to sound like some right wing rant . . . . but

When population increases gradually as a result of natural growth such as increased longevity, reduced infant mortality, better healthcare etc, the resources (housing, healthcare, roads etc) to deal with that increase has time to evolve and keep pace. The UK population has experienced a very unnatural increase in population over a short period of time, thus the strain on housing, healthcare, education, and let us not forget our roads. People like to have cars, so more people equals more cars, more cars equals more congestion. As the focal points for imigrants are of course the major cities, work, percieved better opportunities etc, it is the urban areas that bare the brunt of overcrowding . . . .  . all of which is a major part of the reason I moved to Wales

Rog, when you find Wales to crowded, busy and over populated, I can find you somewhere in Spain where you will have plenty of space!!

Spain is full of foreigners.

[Varche]

True and they boosted the economy.

Now like in the UK, it is the Russian foreigners that have the money

[Rog]

This is going to sound like some right wing rant . . . . but

When population increases gradually as a result of natural growth such as increased longevity, reduced infant mortality, better healthcare etc, the resources (housing, healthcare, roads etc) to deal with that increase has time to evolve and keep pace. The UK population has experienced a very unnatural increase in population over a short period of time, thus the strain on housing, healthcare, education, and let us not forget our roads. People like to have cars, so more people equals more cars, more cars equals more congestion. As the focal points for imigrants are of course the major cities, work, percieved better opportunities etc, it is the urban areas that bare the brunt of overcrowding . . . .  . all of which is a major part of the reason I moved to Wales

Rog, when you find Wales to crowded, busy and over populated, I can find you somewhere in Spain where you will have plenty of space!!

Actually, you may have a point. All the English will have already lost all of their money, property will be really dirt cheap. Could be a good time soon to go back in there    . . . After The Bust

[Rog]

Strangely enough, this has appeared . . . . . .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27470225

[Stemo]

Strangely enough, this has appeared . . . . . .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27470225

Very interesting, Rog, but only two or three are practical.

[Rog]

Strangely enough, this has appeared . . . . . .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27470225

Very interesting, Rog, but only two or three are practical.

Yep, I agree

But I have another suggestion. Certain areas of the country should rigidly enforce and even double parking fines to subsidise new home building