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[Rods2]

Apparently according to the main parties it all of our faults for not voting how we are meant to.

Dodgy David had his fingers in his ears, singing la, la, la as, he patronizingly told us he 'gets it' and understands our concerns and will make lots more empty promises so we remember to vote the correct way next time.

Weird Ed Miliband promises to eat his bacon sandwich more elegantly next time, as long as we remember to vote the right way.

Nick Clegg is too busy try to claw his way back from oblivion, to have time to comment, apart from the fact he likes the power and perks too much to possibly consider quitting. He is sure the electorate will vote the right way next time.

The Greens, who fracking cares.

Nigel Farage, make mine a pint of best, I'm celebrating.

Letting loose the UKIP fox in the Westminster hen house has certainly livened things up.

And what will happen if we, the electorate, don't get over our collective amnesia and don't remember the right way to vote next time?

[TheBoy]

One thing you can say about Farage, his brainwashed sheep are very loyal.

Note, I said Farage and not UKIP. Nobody gives a toss about UKIP.

[tunnie]

One comment Farage made I found interesting, when pressed about the extra seats in Europe and could UKIP make a difference. He basically said no, we will vote against more powers they have, and block what we think is right.

But it's at home where he think the most impact will be, with other parties taking notice.

First time in a 100 years a country wide election was not won by Labour/Conservatives, think a few in Westminster are going to need fresh nappies 

[TheBoy]

One comment Farage made I found interesting, when pressed about the extra seats in Europe and could UKIP make a difference. He basically said no, we will vote against more powers they have, and block what we think is right.

But it's at home where he think the most impact will be, with other parties taking notice.

First time in a 100 years a country wide election was not won by Labour/Conservatives, think a few in Westminster are going to need fresh nappies 

The reckless previous government aside, it makes little difference who is in charge, its still run by the same civil servants.  I fear Yes Minister (proper one, not the silly new one)may have been a tad too close for comfort...

[omega3000]

Amazing how the mainstream parties all had their heads in the sand when questioned what went wrong . Maybe because the majority all see them as bloated pigs all scoffing out the same trough and not giving a hoot about the likes of folks needing to go to food banks every week 

[TheBoy]

One comment Farage made I found interesting, when pressed about the extra seats in Europe and could UKIP make a difference. He basically said no, we will vote against more powers they have, and block what we think is right.

But it's at home where he think the most impact will be, with other parties taking notice.

First time in a 100 years a country wide election was not won by Labour/Conservatives, think a few in Westminster are going to need fresh nappies 

Liberals won a few in the last 100 years tunnie...  ...admittedly not in your lifetime . Or mine

[Kate]

Some politicians seem to be implying that the electorate are stupid. How rude.

[tunnie]

Some politicians seem to be implying that the electorate are stupid. How rude.

One comment Farage made I found interesting, when pressed about the extra seats in Europe and could UKIP make a difference. He basically said no, we will vote against more powers they have, and block what we think is right.

But it's at home where he think the most impact will be, with other parties taking notice.

First time in a 100 years a country wide election was not won by Labour/Conservatives, think a few in Westminster are going to need fresh nappies 

Liberals won a few in the last 100 years tunnie...  ...admittedly not in your lifetime . Or mine

BBC quoted the 100 years   

[Vamps]

Some politicians seem to be implying that the electorate are stupid. How rude.

One comment Farage made I found interesting, when pressed about the extra seats in Europe and could UKIP make a difference. He basically said no, we will vote against more powers they have, and block what we think is right.

But it's at home where he think the most impact will be, with other parties taking notice.

First time in a 100 years a country wide election was not won by Labour/Conservatives, think a few in Westminster are going to need fresh nappies 

Liberals won a few in the last 100 years tunnie...  ...admittedly not in your lifetime . Or mine

BBC quoted the 100 years   

Yes, it did.............

[TheBoy]

Some politicians seem to be implying that the electorate are stupid. How rude.

One comment Farage made I found interesting, when pressed about the extra seats in Europe and could UKIP make a difference. He basically said no, we will vote against more powers they have, and block what we think is right.

But it's at home where he think the most impact will be, with other parties taking notice.

First time in a 100 years a country wide election was not won by Labour/Conservatives, think a few in Westminster are going to need fresh nappies 

Liberals won a few in the last 100 years tunnie...  ...admittedly not in your lifetime . Or mine

BBC quoted the 100 years   

And you believed them. Stupid boy Pike! Lazy journalism, with more than a hint of other motives

[Kevin Wood]

It does make me laugh that the main parties (tories in particular) have switched overnight from digging as much dirt as possible on UKIP to "respecting" them and "Listening to people" who voted for them.

Fresh nappies indeed. About time some of them were potty trained, too.

With luck, this will be the first and last time we'll need to hear about UKIP, but no doubt it'll all be forgotten next year week, when some PR bloke thinks up a new soundbite.

[Stemo]

I think quite a few politicians/ commentators are missing a very important aspect of the European/immigration arguement. They harp on about people being anti-European and that folk are fed up with the immigrants we cannot stop coming in, ie. people from within the union. I don't think this problem existed until the Eastern European countries were 'invited' to join our little club. Most folk, in my opinion, were quite happy with the French, Germans, Spanish etc., coming over here to work/live. But, the minute Russia let go of all it's satellites, we couldn't wait to get our mitts on them, just in case they felt that they were going nowhere and starting turning back. We admitted countries that were virtually bankrupt and used to soviet way of life. Did we ever think that could work?

[Rods2]

Some politicians seem to be implying that the electorate are stupid. How rude.

One comment Farage made I found interesting, when pressed about the extra seats in Europe and could UKIP make a difference. He basically said no, we will vote against more powers they have, and block what we think is right.

But it's at home where he think the most impact will be, with other parties taking notice.

First time in a 100 years a country wide election was not won by Labour/Conservatives, think a few in Westminster are going to need fresh nappies 

Liberals won a few in the last 100 years tunnie...  ...admittedly not in your lifetime . Or mine

BBC quoted the 100 years   

And you believed them. Stupid boy Pike! Lazy journalism, with more than a hint of other motives

Tunnie is right the last time the liberals won an outright election was in 1906. After that they had pacts with Labour in 1910 which was the start of their downfall (or part of Labour's spectacular rise) and also the Irish Nationalists after the second election in 1910. Although WWI was initially run under the Liberal leader Asquith, it was a party split into two factions. It was eventually replaced by a coalition lead by the other faction and Liberal Lloyd George with the Conservatives. In 1918 Lloyd George decided to keep the coalition for the 1918 elections and this was the last time the Liberals were in power until 2010 with the current coalition.

[Rods2]

I think quite a few politicians/ commentators are missing a very important aspect of the European/immigration arguement. They harp on about people being anti-European and that folk are fed up with the immigrants we cannot stop coming in, ie. people from within the union. I don't think this problem existed until the Eastern European countries were 'invited' to join our little club. Most folk, in my opinion, were quite happy with the French, Germans, Spanish etc., coming over here to work/live. But, the minute Russia let go of all it's satellites, we couldn't wait to get our mitts on them, just in case they felt that they were going nowhere and starting turning back. We admitted countries that were virtually bankrupt and used to soviet way of life. Did we ever think that could work?

The real issue is wage disparities, where for those in Eastern Europe £6.00 is a big wage and they very happy to work for that and live 10 to a house so they can send plenty of money home. Whereas from Western European countries it has been for higher wages and highly paid post-graduate jobs. This has put pressure on the wages for the UK working class and the self-employed that is not likely to change anytime soon. The best way for wages to rise is for labour shortages as this forces employers to bid to fill positions and retain staff. This is not going to happen now or in the immediate future due to large pools of unemployed in Europe and also fewer unskilled and semi-skilled jobs due to our current third cognitive industrial revolution where computers and automation are replacing staff. This started in the 1980 with the arrival of the IBM PC.

In the US and the UK the skilled and semi-skilled wages are dropping in real-terms, those with post school college qualifications are just about holding their own on the wage front, there have been real wage rises for graduates and post graduates especially in the creative industries and IT over the last 30 years.

[chrisgixer]

To uk voters, is it merely a question of numbers? Excessive numbers.

Uk has held a comparatively high wage for some time. But in the last few years the population of the uk has shot up disproportionately. A downside to bolstering the economy btw, which would of been much worse otherwise.

While we can't have it both ways, I do feel that purely on a numbers basis, immigration has gone too far though.

Is voting ukip the answer to that? No. But next to the current crop if incompetent cocks in politics currently, yeah bugger it, why not.


Hopefully this will wake them up, but I doubt it. There's nobody in.