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[Shackeng]

B****r, got a speeding ticket today, 50 in a 40 limited dual carriageway. I tend to drive at a speed suitable for the road conditions if I have not spotted a speed limit. Annoying, as if I spot the limit sign I usually pop it in Cruise control

[Kevin Wood]

Sorry to hear that.. So many speed limits are well under a suitable speed for collecting cash the road conditions these days.

[Andy B]

Bugger! 

[chrisgixer]

Found some money for traffic cops have they?

[Rog]

If you're given the option of a speed awareness course, you may want to consider doing it. It costs money, but so does a fine, and better than 3 points. I did one a while back and it was actually quite informative I hate to say 

[Andy B]

..... and it was actually quite informative I hate to say 

Like what? 

I thought mine was a bit condescending ....... but you're obliged to button it to 'pass'   

[YZ250]

B****r, got a speeding ticket today, ..........

I got one through the door yesterday as well.. 

[Shackeng]

Found some money for traffic cops have they?

Fixed camera apparently, but I never saw it.

[Shackeng]

If you're given the option of a speed awareness course, you may want to consider doing it. It costs money, but so does a fine, and better than 3 points. I did one a while back and it was actually quite informative I hate to say 

Yes, my mate did it for the same reason, but how long do the 3 points last? In any case I imagine it will affect my insurance premium whether I do the course or not.

[Andy B]

If you're given the option of a speed awareness course, you may want to consider doing it. It costs money, but so does a fine, and better than 3 points. I did one a while back and it was actually quite informative I hate to say 

Yes, my mate did it for the same reason, but how long do the 3 points last? In any case I imagine it will affect my insurance premium whether I do the course or not.

Points last for 3 years on your licence, but insurance want to know for 5 yrs. Courses always were advertised as something that your insurance company didn't need to know about, but then one of them ...... can't remember which, said thay wanted to know. Can't imagine they'd be told by many .......... 

[Shackeng]

I suppose I shouldn't grumble, 1st time in ** years driving undetected! 

[Bigron]

They no longer have to post warning notices regarding greed cameras, fixed of mobile, which flies in the face of the Police's declared policy of prevention rather than prosecution.
If they were genuinely interested in safety, they would make such cameras highly visible and never use unmarked cars for traffic patrol - and stop turning the lights off motorways, and mend the roads so they didn't cause accidents........

Ron.

[Kevin Wood]

They no longer have to post warning notices regarding greed cameras, fixed of mobile, which flies in the face of the Police's declared policy of prevention rather than prosecution.
If they were genuinely interested in safety, they would make such cameras highly visible and never use unmarked cars for traffic patrol - and stop turning the lights off motorways, and mend the roads so they didn't cause accidents........

Ron.

.. and not set laughably low speed limits on roads that are perfectly safe at NSL.

They have done that to the A339 here. I guarantee I could drive the whole length quite safely in an Omega without dropping below NSL*, but, because it gets a steady stream of bikers writing themselves off at 140 MPH, it's a "black spot", so it's down to 50, and even 40 in places.

Now, tell me. If a biker is prepared to accept doing 80 MPH above the NSL, what effect do you think dropping the limit by 10 or 20 MPH is going to have?


* -  assuming it's miraculously clear of blue rinsers in Nissan X-trails who appear to drive everywhere at 35 MPH

[05omegav6]

Can't argue with that Kevin, trouble is those motorbicyclists often splatter themselves across other traffic, and it always takes an age to clear all the bits up 

Ignoring the humanity of such situations for a second, given the very obvious risks of riding a bike at 2-3 times the nsl on single carriageway roads, shouldn't such incidents be labelled as suicide and the bikers insurance billed for the investigation/clean up work, rather than making every one else suffer with stupidly inappropriate speed limits and overtaking restrictions

I know there are some sensible motorbicyclists around, but they seem to be as rare as sensible bicyclists...

[Kevin Wood]

Oh, I would probably be doing the same if I were a motorbicyclist.

The point is, you have a group of road users who have no regard whatsoever for the speed limits and they are endangering themselves and others. Do you:

1) Put some effort into enforcement, and make an example of a few of them.
2) Use it as a fantastic excuse to slow everybody else down, then start making money from people who mostly observe the speed limits when they aren't insanely low. Meanwhile, continue to turn a blind eye to the dangerous offenders.