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[cleggy]

I simply blame  France and the UK for dividing up the middle east in the early 20th century but like with the African continent no consideration was give to tribal boundaries.
Then along come the war criminals Blair and Bush and now the country reaps the benefit.
We must keep the freak out and let it sort itself out now, but up our security because it is on its way here.
 You can't create a western style democracy in courtries that live in the middle ages arming your chosen side with billions of dollar's of modern arms instead of an old Lee Enfield on a camel when they simply run away.
What a mess the unaccountable have created, better a dictator than terrorism.

What do you think.

[05omegav6]

  Oops

I have reported myself for breaking the word filter...

Sincere apologies for messing up someones evening and any of you sensitive souls

[05omegav6]

You and me both


Thanks for highlighting it btw

[chrisgixer]

Your a very naughty boy.


I wonder has TB broken the word filter

Reading

[chrisgixer]

Nope. Still working

[05omegav6]

Nope. Still working

You should be so lucky

It's the sort of thing that Gollum chap would do

[05omegav6]

Maybe it only works in context if anyone was worthy of that as a title, then that waste of molecules would be it

At least one prefect has seen it... Maybe their opinion of Mr Bliar is the same as mine or they skim read it and noticed nowt untoward

[05omegav6]

To paraphrase an earlier, tippexed post.

It's Bliars mess, he should sort it out...

[tigers_gonads]

Surprised it took this long tbh

At the end of the day, if it wasn't for the oil then 99% of the planet couldn't give a toss what they do to each other.  I know I don't 
Same old same old and always will be.

One day, the so called western world democracies will learn that camel jockey nations quite simply do not do democracy. It just doesn't work for them, simples.
The only thing they understand is a big bad nasty bastard dictator who's attitude it "do as I say, not as I do" and if you step out of line or complain then I will torture you, rape your wife and goat.
Sounds like the house of commons that bit  (wife and goat excluded hopefully )

The thing that grips my shite is the amount of British lives that has been lost in the process and the amount of the oppsers who made there way across god knows how many so called free states to claim there free money, council house and passport under the banner of asylum 

I hate to say this (because I have friends who have served out there) but Afghanistan will be next 

[tigers_gonads]

I simply blame  France and the UK for dividing up the middle east in the early 20th century but like with the African continent no consideration was give to tribal boundaries.
Then along come the war criminals Blair and Bush and now the country reaps the benefit.
We must keep the freak out and let it sort itself out now, but up our security because it is on its way here.
 You can't create a western style democracy in courtries that live in the middle ages arming your chosen side with billions of dollar's of modern arms instead of an old Lee Enfield on a camel when they simply run away.
What a mess the unaccountable have created, better a dictator than terrorism.

What do you think.

Sorry, should have read this before I posted 
A lot of truth in there cleggy 

[ronnyd]

There comes a time when you have to worry about your own citizens and let the others sort it out themselves.

[tigers_gonads]

There comes a time when you have to worry about your own citizens and let the others sort it out themselves.

That's always being my moto tbh
In my book, its family, friend then countryman in that order

[TheBoy]

There comes a time when you have to worry about your own citizens and let the others sort it out themselves.

I think the fear comes from if left unchecked, the <insert any religion your care to> extremists may impact the wellbeing of your citizens.

Its really for the local regime to sort out these groups, which is where strong dictators come into their own (in this regard), but in some areas of the world, these  regimes are not strong enough.


I think the Western world has realised that if you manage to break up or destroy one organisation, there are many more willing to fill that space, and that's why we see even the Americans being reluctant to go in and fight a war that's not currently winnable (by any side). However, left unchecked like certain European right wing groups of the early 20th century, this could lead to global conflict - since the end of the cold war, WWIII was always likely to be along boundaries declared in the name of religion<sup>*


*</sup> twisted to suit the extremists heading up these organisations, and preached down (brainwashed) to those fighting under them.

[chrisgixer]

There comes a time when you have to worry about your own citizens and let the others sort it out themselves.

That's always being my moto tbh
In my book, its family, friend then countryman in that order

Which is exactly why we got involved in the first place. Albeit for dubious reasons, in Iraq, but invading other countries is always going to attract international attention. Certainly in Afghanistan, obviously.

[Rods2]

We are all members of the globe earth. Whether we like it or not it is a very, very interconnected world so what happens in other countries directly affect us and our strategic interests.

30% of our energy comes from abroad, the majority of industries raw materials and 50% of our food and to pay for these there we sell goods and services to countries all around the world. We have direct interests in making sure that this continues.

Individuals, communities and countries band together to protect their mutual interests. If we take the totally selfish view of the world (which more and more people in the West are doing) we end up with this:

They invaded far off countries and they got stronger, nothing to do with us.
They invaded neighbouring countries, nothing to do with us.
They invaded and conquered our country, nothing to do with us.
They killed all members of the old government and their officials, nothing to do with us.
They came for people in our town, nothing to do with us.
The took people from our street, nothing to do with us.
They came, arrested my neighbours, nothing to do with us.
Then they came for me and my family......

We in the West have major problems with our current weak willed, nth-degree equality (socialism) of everything politicians, who think all people are nice and like them. Well they are not, there are plenty of ruthless lying, cheating, thieving, murdering, power mad, bad people people out there that use this to get as far up the pile as possible and preferably right to the top so they are the countries next dictator. Our never had it so easy and good populations interests start and end at: The latest 50" TV, iPhone and iPad and all goods and services that by magic are in shops to buy. The latest 'entertainment' via TV, smartphone or cinema. A community is found by participating in a multi-player game and their only interest in military service is Call of Duty. Hardship is a Social cheque arriving a day late.

Whereas in Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia and South America from young childhood it is working the family smallholding, a productivity bonus, is successfully growing plenty of crops, so you eat, semi-starving if not, not every brother, sister, father, mother, uncle or aunt surviving through disease, tribal warfare and score settling. They are used to hardship. The Eastern European slavic nations thrive on it, life is cheap and easily replaced, -25degC outside, just get on with it. The softest thing about the average Ukrainian and Russian are their teeth.

Russia's annexation of Crimea show we are back to big eat small or weak power politics after 70 years of a world consensus and order. Like it or not, we are going to have to get used to fighting (directly or by proxy through our armed forces) to keep what we have got again or lose it. In all countries and communities, the most dangerous and disliked adversary that makes it close and personal for all, is the 5th column.