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[chrisgixer]

Servo assistance and resistance to fade being two very different things 

I am confused. Where is it implied they are one and the same?

The design is over 20yrs old, of course there is room for improvement, particularly for durability for a reasonably rapid, heavy motor, no matter how good it was in the early 1990s. The fact that for the vast, vast majority of owners, its still more than capable enough despite its age shows it was quite good in its day. But everything moves on

However, (perceived)(lack of) servo assistance I do not see as a deficiency. Quite the opposite.

I see that as a complete contradiction. But at least, initially, your seeing sense.

[05omegav6]

It wasn't 

Was highlighting the chasm between the perceived issue with Omega brakes and the actual problem

[Nick W]

If you want to feel properly what the brakes are doing, then as little servo assistance as possible is in order. Removing it all together probably isn't an option on a heavy car like an Omega, but it is on lighter cars.

[chrisgixer]

It wasn't 

Was highlighting the chasm between the perceived issue with Omega brakes and the actual problem

Problems;

Lack of bite
Lack of heat absorption.
Lack of power.

They feal dead
They over heat
They take a great deal of effort to activate.

[Nick W]

It wasn't 

Was highlighting the chasm between the perceived issue with Omega brakes and the actual problem

Problems;

Lack of bite
Lack of heat absorption.
Lack of power.

They feal dead
They over heat
They take a great deal of effort to activate.

Perhaps you should fit Omega brakes rather than the Minor ones some idiot has fitted to your car?

[chrisgixer]

It wasn't 

Was highlighting the chasm between the perceived issue with Omega brakes and the actual problem

Problems;

Lack of bite
Lack of heat absorption.
Lack of power.

They feal dead
They over heat
They take a great deal of effort to activate.

Perhaps you should fit Omega brakes rather than the Minor ones some idiot has fitted to your car?

That'll be the idiots at Vauxhall/Opel then.

[tunnie]

The Omega brakes are excellent, as what they are designed to do. A big heavy motorway cruiser, blasting down the lanes ect, do job well.

In my opinion, if the Omega brakes are not good enough you are either

1) Not reading road ahead well
2) Seriously over the speed limit

[chrisgixer]

The Omega brakes are excellent, as what they are designed to do. A big heavy motorway cruiser, blasting down the lanes ect, do job well.

In my opinion, if the Omega brakes are not good enough you are either

1) Not reading road ahead well
2) Seriously over the speed limit

Yes miss daisy who wants a Monaro

[TheBoy]

It wasn't 

Was highlighting the chasm between the perceived issue with Omega brakes and the actual problem

Problems;

Lack of bite
Lack of heat absorption.
Lack of power.

They feal dead
They over heat
They take a great deal of effort to activate.

This problem, I've already said, is a deficiency for a very slight minority. I would suggest that for these drivers, any standard road car would have inadequate brakes in this respect.

The other 2 problems I suspect are actually just one, you feel the car lacks servo assistance, yet contradicts what you are trying to achieve in the highlighted ones. In the same way that an over assisted PAS removes feedback, the more assistance you get with the brakes, the less feedback you get. 

[chrisgixer]

Rubbish

[Taxi_Driver]

oe brake pads will give slightly better performance, as the tc ones are a much more cost effective option.

Currently running one car with TC, other with OE, the only difference I would say (dust aside!) is the OE ones have a better initial bite from cold, whereas the TC ones seem a little dull on first application in a journey 

Something that vx attempted to address before omega production stopped, as later omega have an alteration that increases assistance under emergency braking. Going by some TIS entry's.

It looks like a standard "emergencyassist" alteration which were being added to all cars (including Fords, with their already hair trigger brakes!) at the time (and since), and unrelated to servo assistance is normal driving.  As you say, its a system designed to provide extra servo assistance on the initial press of the brake when doing emergency stops, and should be unnoticeable under other scenarios

How does this "emergency assist work" ?

Quite simply....or on a merc i had a few years ago....the ecu decides your doing an emergency stop (and stopping in a controlled way) it locks up the wheels, the brake pedal sinks to floor, and you go for a uncontrollable slide on a wet road.....and you end up doing nearly £10k worth of damage to it....i never want it again if i can help it 

[Kevin Wood]

If you want to feel properly what the brakes are doing, then as little servo assistance as possible is in order. Removing it all together probably isn't an option on a heavy car like an Omega, but it is on lighter cars.

I've said the same many times.

I think the Omega brakes are perfectly balanced with respect to feel and assistance, personally. My Westfield is probably not far off the same feel, a bit more feedback, perhaps, and that's a disks all round and no servo setup.

Crank up the servo assistance to F**D levels and you've got absolutely no feel left.

[chrisgixer]

Aaaah yes the party line again. That's simply not the case.

But, your loss.

[Nick W]

When was the last time you drove a car with no servo? Brake servos are there to assist the process, not do the whole job.

[Andy B]

When was the last time you drove a car with no servo? ....

Must be 30 yrs ago ...... my brother's girlfriend's VW Something with a boot. It needed quite a shove on the pedal to make it stop.