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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #15 on: 14 June 2014, 22:07:31 »

Think that was a shackleton, or a even Lincoln(even rarer) :)

Almost certainly not a Shack, as if so it would have been common knowledge in our Association. :y
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #16 on: 14 June 2014, 22:40:04 »

"Shackeng", I'm getting more confused by the minute; unlikely to be a Lincoln due to its rarity, you say no to Shackleton - could it have been a Lancaster, after all?
My memory has it as definitely sounding like a Lancaster - can anyone mistake the sound - and it was a large 4-engined job.

And Lizzie, I'm with you all the way there; I have a particular fondness for the Princess Elizabeth, too as I had a Triang train set with that loco when a small boy.

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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #17 on: 15 June 2014, 21:59:00 »

For the Canadian Lanc - something I posted in another place a few months back. As far as I can find out, the schedule is...

Aug 4th - Leaves Hamilton, Ontario, routing Goose Bay Labrador Canada, Narsarsuaq Greenland, and Keflavik Iceland.
Aug 8th - Arrives in the UK (location unknown) - likely to be RAF Coningsby IMHO, but could be Humberside Airport.
Aug 8th-14th - Servicing (by BBMF) plus airshow training (with BBMF).
Aug 14th - Public displays start.

The plane will be offically based at Humberside Airport for the duration of the stay. The airshows it'll be displaying at haven't been released AFAIK, but you can see a fairly complete list of public events at the bottom of this page http://www.scramble.nl/show-dates/europe/country

Most of these locations are smaller seaside airshows, and I've no idea how they'll find the money to pay for a Lanc to attend, but you never know. It's also likely to do some flybys at locations associated with the RCAF during WW2.

Probably worth keeping an eye on these two forums/threads if you're interested.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthre ... 14-UK-tour
http://www.warplane.com/
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bbmf/displayinfo/

Obviously, servicability and any number of legal, CAA and Health and Safety issues could still scupper things. They are supposed to be doing passenger rides, but they ain't cheap, and are probably all sold out.
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #18 on: 15 June 2014, 22:07:04 »

Its going to do a lot of fly past around old RCAF airfields, hence why its going to humberside airport, Lincolnshire was bomber country, there is a list of provisional dates on the Canadian air museum website, also some dates on the bbmf pages. :),will get some fly past around here as were pathfinder area, both Lancaster's are doing little gransden airshow, and are scheduled also to over fly around here. :y
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #19 on: 15 June 2014, 22:36:39 »

Its going to do a lot of fly past around old RCAF airfields, hence why its going to humberside airport, Lincolnshire was bomber country,

Yes and no. The reason for basing at Humberside is that it is a civilian airport with the facilities required for conducting commercial passenger flights - X-Ray machines, check in desks etc. All the normal airline rules apply to the Lanc once they try and fly passenger's in it. RAF Coningsby doesn't have the facilities to handle commercal flights, but does have the facilities to service it, and the nearest commercial airport to Coningsby is.....

there is a list of provisional dates on the Canadian air museum website, also some dates on the bbmf pages. :),will get some fly past around here as were pathfinder area, both Lancaster's are doing little gransden airshow, and are scheduled also to over fly around here. :y

Yes, but you'll get better and more up to date information from the "Aircraft Spotters" forums that I linked to, plus details of the 'non-public' operations. Both Lanc's are due to flypast on both days at Carfest South for instance.
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #20 on: 16 June 2014, 05:53:45 »

List of dates here
www.airshows.org.uk :)
and here www.warplane.com/lancaster-2014-uktour.aspx  :)

plus the flypast's at ex-Canadian airfields which are tba.
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #21 on: 16 June 2014, 13:46:24 »

With both the Lancaster's,  and the Vulcan's, public air displays I try hard to let my grand children see these wonderful machines flying and taking full opportunity of the event.

We know that time is running out for these historic aircraft to remain in an airworthy, insurable, condition and the sad, very sad, time will come when they will remain permanently grounded :'( :'( :'( :'(  Until then my grand children will have a running commentary on what these planes represent, their history, and how they are relevant in the age they now live in, guaranteeing the freedom we now enjoy. :y
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #22 on: 16 June 2014, 16:35:03 »

Yes, the sound, Lizzie!
I didn't realise today was the Trooping, but when I was sitting quietly at my emails here, I heard this sound and immediately thought "That's a Lancaster: what on earth is that doing here!"
Nothing else sounds like it nor flies as slowly or low, and to hear one flying for real fully laden, as you said, must have been magical.
Another sight/sound that impresses me is when a steam locomotive JUST starts off: no revving and farting, just a sigh of steam and it moves away with panache and dignity, no matter how many carriages it has behind it.

Ron.

Ah, now for me I love the sound of a light footed Merchant Navy or West Country loco pulling away with a heavy train and slipping on damp rails, then regaining it's grip with the power of the engine, and skill of the foot plate crew, at their best.  Other loco's are also impressive when briefly slipping, and there is a great recording of the ex-LMS pacific Princess Elizabeth "suffering" from this whilst coming back with very obvious blasts from her exhaust. Wonderful!! 8) 8) 8) 8) :-* :-* :-*

You see I just love loud, powerful engines! ;)

Its just a pity those dam Southern region Locos were are so dam inefficient!
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #23 on: 16 June 2014, 19:25:05 »

Yes, the sound, Lizzie!
I didn't realise today was the Trooping, but when I was sitting quietly at my emails here, I heard this sound and immediately thought "That's a Lancaster: what on earth is that doing here!"
Nothing else sounds like it nor flies as slowly or low, and to hear one flying for real fully laden, as you said, must have been magical.
Another sight/sound that impresses me is when a steam locomotive JUST starts off: no revving and farting, just a sigh of steam and it moves away with panache and dignity, no matter how many carriages it has behind it.

Ron.

Ah, now for me I love the sound of a light footed Merchant Navy or West Country loco pulling away with a heavy train and slipping on damp rails, then regaining it's grip with the power of the engine, and skill of the foot plate crew, at their best.  Other loco's are also impressive when briefly slipping, and there is a great recording of the ex-LMS pacific Princess Elizabeth "suffering" from this whilst coming back with very obvious blasts from her exhaust. Wonderful!! 8) 8) 8) 8) :-* :-* :-*

You see I just love loud, powerful engines! ;)

Its just a pity those dam Southern region Locos were are so dam inefficient!

Ah, you mean those Bulleid's original "Spam Can" Pacific's. Built during the war and after they were designed for multi-traffic use so as to gain governmental approval.  Bulleid actually designed and built these engines with maximum power output, but light-weight in structure. The boiler was (and still is) a magnificent steamer, with a design 280 psi, the highest of any British loco. The Nominal Tractive Effort of the Merchant Navy's (introduced from 1941) at 37,500 lb's, and with Tractive effort per ton of engine weight at a splendid 396 lb's, was better than any of the other Pacific's of both the LNER and LMS, although the LMS Duchess did produce 40,000 lb total tractive effort. The total tonnage at 94.75 tons was the lightest out of the A3's, A4's and Duchess classes.

No, I suspect Mark the "inefficiencies" that you refer to was the massive enclosed 40 gallon oil bath that contained the chain driven valve gear, along with central crankshaft big end, which often spilt oil everywhere, created fires, and was in the way if the running gear in the bath broke and needed urgent repairs. Engines could break down, and there is on record instances of the big end failing, unheard by the footplate crew due to the oil bath silencing it, and suddenly breaking through the bottom of the latter. One failure also occurred right in the centre of the level crossing at Brockenhurst which led to hours of traffic delays, both on the railway and on the highway, until a breakdown crew from Eastleigh arrived and cut away the offending parts!

No, Bulleid was way ahead of his time, and was a maverick in the mould of Brunel, but the oil bath etc., was one step too far and it was only when all but 50 of the Merchant Navy's and West Country's were rebuilt from 1956 that the real worth of these engines could be witnessed, although by then it was too late. However, many were recorded doing 100 mph+ right up to final withdrawal in 1967.

Great engines, but originally with big flaws. ;)
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #24 on: 16 June 2014, 19:43:05 »

...........................and to show people who don't know, this is a Merchant Navy rebuilt Pacific:



.....and in original form:




I apologise for hijacking this Lancaster thread, but both machines were built during the war and both assisted the war effort. (That's my excuse anyway!) ;) ;)
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #25 on: 16 June 2014, 19:46:33 »

...........................and to show people who don't know, this is a Merchant Navy rebuilt Pacific:



.....and in original form:




I apologise for hijacking this Lancaster thread, but both machines were built during the war and both assisted the war effort. (That's my excuse anyway!) ;) ;)

I used to have "Winston Churchill "in hornby form with working smoke,wish I still had it ::)
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #26 on: 16 June 2014, 20:09:07 »

think the Lancaster thread has gone off topic..
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #27 on: 16 June 2014, 20:34:21 »

Lizzie, since when has anyone needed to have an excuse or even apologise for showing pictures of such beautiful locos?
True, the Lancaster thread was mine, but you can subvert it any day with interruptions like that - and from such a knowledgeable lady!

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« Reply #28 on: 17 June 2014, 15:52:16 »

Lizzie, since when has anyone needed to have an excuse or even apologise for showing pictures of such beautiful locos?
True, the Lancaster thread was mine, but you can subvert it any day with interruptions like that - and from such a knowledgeable lady!

Ron.

Thanks Ron! :y :y :y :y :y :y :-*

I love the plane and train products of the late 1930s / early 1940s.  They had style in those days and knew how to create machines to do the job in the UK.  Where has that ability gone?
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Re: Lancaster Bomber
« Reply #29 on: 17 June 2014, 15:53:23 »

...........................and to show people who don't know, this is a Merchant Navy rebuilt Pacific:



.....and in original form:




I apologise for hijacking this Lancaster thread, but both machines were built during the war and both assisted the war effort. (That's my excuse anyway!) ;) ;)

I used to have "Winston Churchill "in hornby form with working smoke,wish I still had it ::)

My eldest brother had one of them; really fascinating!! :-* :-* 8)
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