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[chrisgixer]

Also, re age of the lid, apart from anything else, the more times you take it on and off, the more the padding in the opening compresses and gets tired, and the more noise gets in.

[tunnie]

I find if you look at the lid opening the narrower the gap the better. If it takes your ears off when putting it on is better..... type of thing.  (||)

Current one slides on and off easy, too loose then! I remember when learning their lids did try to pull my ears off 

[chrisgixer]

Ps you can try it yourself by stuffing, a sock, say, up under your ear between the neck and helmet, or have the lid altered. Shoei and Arai do a fitting service, although I've never used it.

[chrisgixer]

I find if you look at the lid opening the narrower the gap the better. If it takes your ears off when putting it on is better..... type of thing.  (||)

Current one slides on and off easy, too loose then! I remember when learning their lids did try to pull my ears off 

 

[chrisgixer]

After thought, if like me, you hold the straps apart while putting lid on, that action pulls the pudding aside. And naturally weakens the foam padding, you can see that wear on older lids.

[tunnie]

After thought, if like me, you hold the straps apart while putting lid on, that action pulls the pudding aside. And naturally weakens the foam padding, you can see that wear on older lids.

Yeah I do that 

Habbit I guess, give it a fair amount pulling the straps, to make sure it does not snag the ear plugs. Guess that's not right way.

Good shout on socks, might give that a whirl. Will do that in garage, might look a bit odd at work 

[hotel21]

Consider a visit to a local hearing aid fitting place. The House of Hearing fitted my last job set (personal mould etc) and end result had a grommet fitted to specifically exclude extraneous noise but allowed radio to be heard. Grommet also allowed ventilation of the eardrum which reduced wax buildup/pain over extended use. 

[aaronjb]

After thought, if like me, you hold the straps apart while putting lid on, that action pulls the pudding aside. And naturally weakens the foam padding, you can see that wear on older lids.

That's about the only way I can get a helmet on without literally tearing my ears off..   Apparently I have a very large head

Only really found one comfortable helmet and that was an expensive Arai IIRC .. so I just live with the pain my cheap Aldi helmet causes around my jaw (where it tries to crush the rear part of my jaw constantly).  No wind noise though as I have a windscreen in front of me..

See this is where you're both going wrong 

[tunnie]

Consider a visit to a local hearing aid fitting place. The House of Hearing fitted my last job set (personal mould etc) and end result had a grommet fitted to specifically exclude extraneous noise but allowed radio to be heard. Grommet also allowed ventilation of the eardrum which reduced wax buildup/pain over extended use. 

Yeah, strongly thinking this. They take a mould and create ones bespoke to me 

[05omegav6]

Used to occasionally use the disposable ones at the airport... I'm susceptible to ear infections any way, but unless you're a monk, constantly taking them in/out and putting down somewhere can only lead to picking up bugs etc... Was told it didn't matter if you used a hundred pairs a day, but replace with new each time.

Number of people you see bumbling around on the road with headphones in is frightening.

Blocking off one of your key senses on the road strikes me as daft tbh

[tunnie]

Used to occasionally use the disposable ones at the airport... I'm susceptible to ear infections any way, but unless you're a monk, constantly taking them in/out and putting down somewhere can only lead to picking up bugs etc... Was told it didn't matter if you used a hundred pairs a day, but replace with new each time.

Number of people you see bumbling around on the road with headphones in is frightening.

Blocking off one of your key senses on the road strikes me as daft tbh

It's not blocking it off though, removing wind noise but allowing other sounds to remain. Such as engine/cars, as just 15 minutes on a motorway can damage you hearing.

Have you actually tried riding a motorbike, with no ear plugs at 70mph? 

Bit of reading for non-bikers without actual experience or get why they are needed: http://www.hearingtestlabs.com/motorcycle.htm

[05omegav6]

Used to occasionally use the disposable ones at the airport... I'm susceptible to ear infections any way, but unless you're a monk, constantly taking them in/out and putting down somewhere can only lead to picking up bugs etc... Was told it didn't matter if you used a hundred pairs a day, but replace with new each time.

Number of people you see bumbling around on the road with headphones in is frightening.

Blocking off one of your key senses on the road strikes me as daft tbh

It's not blocking it off though, removing wind noise but allowing other sounds to remain. Such as engine/cars, as just 15 minutes on a motorway can damage you hearing.

Have you actually tried riding a motorbike, with no ear plugs at 70mph? 

Bit of reading for non-bikers without actual experience or get why they are needed: http://www.hearingtestlabs.com/motorcycle.htm

No, nor do I ever intend to

That said, I doubt you've stood on an apron with four RB211s a full chat next to you...

 I contributed as a user of the disposable defenders, but obviously not being a biker makes me a second class person apparently have to say that I'm with Aaron on this... to misquote George Orwell, "Four wheels, good. Two wheels, baaad."

[tunnie]

Used to occasionally use the disposable ones at the airport... I'm susceptible to ear infections any way, but unless you're a monk, constantly taking them in/out and putting down somewhere can only lead to picking up bugs etc... Was told it didn't matter if you used a hundred pairs a day, but replace with new each time.

Number of people you see bumbling around on the road with headphones in is frightening.

Blocking off one of your key senses on the road strikes me as daft tbh

It's not blocking it off though, removing wind noise but allowing other sounds to remain. Such as engine/cars, as just 15 minutes on a motorway can damage you hearing.

Have you actually tried riding a motorbike, with no ear plugs at 70mph? 

Bit of reading for non-bikers without actual experience or get why they are needed: http://www.hearingtestlabs.com/motorcycle.htm

No, nor do I ever intend to

That said, I doubt you've stood on an apron with four RB211s a full chat next to you...

 I contributed as a user of the disposable defenders, but obviously not being a biker makes me a second class person apparently have to say that I'm with Aaron on this... to misquote George Orwell, "Four wheels, good. Two wheels, baaad."

Always so sodding difficult to have a conversation with you 

So you have no actual experience of what we are talking about here, using ear plugs occasionally at airport and on a bike daily are a tad different. I never stated 'second class person', where did that come from? WTF? 

Similar to tyre threads, you often don't like people giving opinions with zero experience of the situation and product. 

Four wheels good for London commute? No.
Two wheels bad for London commute? No.

35 mins and always parking available vs 55-90mins and no parking past 08:30. Go figure 

[05omegav6]

Ah yes of course must all be my fault

Sustained noise levels at an airport are similar, if not higher than what you're exopsed to for your jolly on the M3. Occasional use of said earplugs was through choice, they're technically required to be worn once airside. And given that I worked airside for over 11 years, even once a day occasional use equates to hands on experience of over three thousand times... But then wtf do I know

Edited for fat finger spelling, as that is probably wrong too...

[tunnie]

Brick wall with you, seriously. WTF.

Anywho, good advice from Bruce on custom plugs via Hearing Aid moulds and some good stuff from Chris on airflow around the lid at speed. Also thanks to aaronjb for the link on the ones he has experience with and used 

Thanks for all for the sensible and constructive replies