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[kevinp58]

a 270 bhp manual will leave an auto in dust ?

530D Manual 6.3 sec
530D 8 speed auto 5.8 sec

 

[tunnie]

None of the V6 Omega's are quick by modern standards, a half decent diesel will blow even a 3.2 away 

You're driving it wrong. Most modern diesels shove out around 150bhp, and with diesel power delivery.  Even supposedly "quick" family diesels, such as a modern 330d can be outpaced by our 20yr old engine

Note to self:
TB's medication has made him deluded. 

I must be pressing pedal wrong 

[05omegav6]

a 270 bhp manual will leave an auto in dust ?

530D Manual 6.3 sec
530D 8 speed auto 5.8 sec

 

330D same difference 

[Vamps]

None of the V6 Omega's are quick by modern standards, a half decent diesel will blow even a 3.2 away 

You're driving it wrong. Most modern diesels shove out around 150bhp, and with diesel power delivery.  Even supposedly "quick" family diesels, such as a modern 330d can be outpaced by our 20yr old engine

FatherT's is around 190 and thats only from 4 pots. Bet he would easily keep pace with 3.2, without trying much.

A bit like an MX5 then...............

[YZ250]

None of the V6 Omega's are quick by modern standards, a half decent diesel will blow even a 3.2 away 

You're driving it wrong. Most modern diesels shove out around 150bhp, and with diesel power delivery.  Even supposedly "quick" family diesels, such as a modern 330d can be outpaced by our 20yr old engine

Note to self:
TB's medication has made him deluded. 

I must be pressing pedal wrong 

He knows I own both Mark, I'm sure it's just his little joke.   

[cem_devecioglu]

a 270 bhp manual will leave an auto in dust ?

530D Manual 6.3 sec
530D 8 speed auto 5.8 sec

it doesnt matter..  dont know from where you get those figures..  either the auto is chipped or manual ratios longer..


for what year 530d we are talking ?

[cem_devecioglu]

a 270 bhp manual will leave an auto in dust ?

530D Manual 6.3 sec
530D 8 speed auto 5.8 sec

 

whats so funny about that ?

[cem_devecioglu]

its a prooven fact that slushboxes are always slower..  unless you play with the ratios.. 


even the best autobox is pumping fluid instead of a direct drive if its a real auto..   

[cem_devecioglu]

Our 'New' 530D's (when working or not in the bodyshop  ) Are bloody quick, 270ish BHP & sub 6 sec to 60mph and for an autobox that ain't slow. Stick it in 'Sport mode' and they handle too  !!!!

a 270 bhp manual will leave an auto in dust at the blink of an eye.. either be it a bimmer or an omega..

ok..


there is no 530d at 270 bhp


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_(F10)




so that car is obviously non standard  


and cancels the claims

[Nick W]

its a prooven fact that slushboxes are always slower..  unless you play with the ratios.. 


even the best autobox is pumping fluid instead of a direct drive if its a real auto..   

If that were true, you wouldn't see automatics at the dragstrip.
Whereas the opposite is true, manuals are very rare for a number of very good reasons. Consistency, reliability and ease of use for a start.

[Kevin Wood]

its a prooven fact that slushboxes are always slower..  unless you play with the ratios.. 


even the best autobox is pumping fluid instead of a direct drive if its a real auto..   

If that were true, you wouldn't see automatics at the dragstrip.
Whereas the opposite is true, manuals are very rare for a number of very good reasons. Consistency, reliability and ease of use for a start.

By the same token, Slushboxes are not very popular at track days. 

Horses for courses. What one does well, the other doesn't. I agree that you can't really say one is better than the other overall.

.. and an auto box isn't significantly different to a manual once the torque converter has locked up since it does offer a direct drive through the gearbox. If the additional losses in an auto box amounted to anything significant we would see much larger ATF coolers on cars so equipped!

Where an auto is poor is that auto boxes of the Omega's era didn't have enough ratios, and they have zero ability to read the road ahead, so are no use on twisty stretches of road.

[cem_devecioglu]

its a prooven fact that slushboxes are always slower..  unless you play with the ratios.. 


even the best autobox is pumping fluid instead of a direct drive if its a real auto..   

If that were true, you wouldn't see automatics at the dragstrip.
Whereas the opposite is true, manuals are very rare for a number of very good reasons. Consistency, reliability and ease of use for a start.

By the same token, Slushboxes are not very popular at track days. 

Horses for courses. What one does well, the other doesn't. I agree that you can't really say one is better than the other overall.

.. and an auto box isn't significantly different to a manual once the torque converter has locked up since it does offer a direct drive through the gearbox. If the additional losses in an auto box amounted to anything significant we would see much larger ATF coolers on cars so equipped!

Where an auto is poor is that auto boxes of the Omega's era didn't have enough ratios, and they have zero ability to read the road ahead, so are no use on twisty stretches of road.

seconded..


there are some special automatic boxes like smg/dsg..    but those boxes are unfortunately eye watering for budgets when repairs about to happen.. and they are never as reliable and cheap as  a manual.. and cars having smg/dsg is never prefererred from second hand buyers point of view..


well at least for me ..

[YZ250]

its a prooven fact that slushboxes are always slower..  unless you play with the ratios.. 


even the best autobox is pumping fluid instead of a direct drive if its a real auto..   

A few years back I would agree, but the figures for my auto are as below. (Totally standard, as it left the factory) 

Acceleration 0-62 mph (sec) 5.4 [5.1]

and the 435d auto is 4.7 sec 0-62mph and the manual is definitely not quicker. 

Figure in brackets is for auto. 

530d and 535d are bloody quick off the mark. Considering its weight, it matches the lighter models off the lights.

[05omegav6]

My brothers '62 330D has the 8 speed auto, and that is sub 6 seconds to 60

[Webby the Bear]

Think i'm with Tunnie on this. our cars are slow. and the auto box doesnt help. im sure a modern diesel could outdrag the omega quite easily.

having said that i wouldnt swap the old girl for anything. absolute pleasure to drive.