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Re: A coach driver question............
« Reply #15 on: 07 September 2014, 23:42:09 »

Most services now operate a coaches club, enquire when you abandon,the vehicle. :)
Also if you haven't completed 35hrs cpc training as of 5/9/14. you cant drive a coach or hgv.
Coaches/buses were 2013, and CPC only required if you are employed to drive. Wouldn't apply to a person driving a horse box with their own pets, but as soon as the horse does summat where a prize is involved then it becomes commercial and the CPC is required, not to mention then also needing an Operators Licence ::)

And has caused all sorts of problems, My SIL sold their truck, bought my Jeep and a Horsebox, yet by brother has a CPC. I suspect there are loads of truck mounted Horse Boxes fouling this law as all? competitions are for prizes and money exchanges hands......

No one in any capacity I have spoken with has any positive thoughts on this, other that the Course is easy and many companies will pay for the training............ :-X :-X
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Re: A coach driver question............
« Reply #16 on: 08 September 2014, 00:20:41 »

The thing you need to ask is, will you drive professionally again, if no then don't bother renewing your entitlement,when you need a medical its a cost thing.anything from £50 to £120 just for a,medical,then £200+ for 35hrs,of cpc training

That's exactly where I'm at with my HGV which lapsed in May.  I've no CPC and the local Quacks want £100 for the medical.  ::)

Is it worth it?  :-\  I might do it at some point as having the HGV has been handy in the past.  ::)
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Re: A coach driver question............
« Reply #17 on: 08 September 2014, 00:38:11 »

The thing you need to ask is, will you drive professionally again, if no then don't bother renewing your entitlement,when you need a medical its a cost thing.anything from £50 to £120 just for a,medical,then £200+ for 35hrs,of cpc training

That's exactly where I'm at with my HGV which lapsed in May.  I've no CPC and the local Quacks want £100 for the medical.  ::)

Is it worth it? :-\  I might do it at some point as having the HGV has been handy in the past.  ::)

I guess that depends if you want to drive again for payment, I am uncertain, but it could fit in nicely with an early retirement plan........ :-\ :-\

My GP has never changed me for a medical, I did lose both HGV and PSV for a period because of health, no charge from GP to get them back :y :y

I have looked at courses to do the CPC, the cost is not to bad, and many a company will pay and facilitate it, hence it remains part of my retirement plan, along with other options..... :) :)
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Re: A coach driver question............
« Reply #18 on: 08 September 2014, 05:15:35 »

The Cpc works out at around £15 per hour based on the modules I did, but I believe that you now need to do 35 hours before you can drive commercially as the date mentioned was the date you needed to have completed it by :-\
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Re: A coach driver question............
« Reply #19 on: 08 September 2014, 09:46:58 »

Just done my cpc last week.

Bottom line is if the vehicle you are driving weighs over 3 1/2 ton and you make money out of it (either directly or indirectly) you have to have a cpc card and a electronic tachograph card.

Beware lads, VOSA the bastids or DVSA as they like to be known as nowdays are self funded, they are on a mission to shaft as many drivers as possible. Well that's if your British anyway  ;) As all oofers who drive for a living will know, our friends from the continent tend to get away with murder  >:( >:( >:(
Acting dumb / ignorance is no longer accepted no matter how much you flutter your eye lashes  ;D
DVSA's attitude is once you have the cpc card there is no excuse whatsoever and aim to rape your bank balance as much as possible  >:( >:(

Read this from page 18 onwards and weep  :(

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/344447/enforcement-sanctions-policy.pdf


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Re: A coach driver question............
« Reply #20 on: 08 September 2014, 22:26:24 »

Just done my cpc last week.

Bottom line is if the vehicle you are driving weighs over 3 1/2 ton and you make money out of it (either directly or indirectly) you have to have a cpc card and a electronic tachograph card.

Beware lads, VOSA the bastids or DVSA as they like to be known as nowdays are self funded, they are on a mission to shaft as many drivers as possible. Well that's if your British anyway  ;) As all oofers who drive for a living will know, our friends from the continent tend to get away with murder  >:( >:( >:(
Acting dumb / ignorance is no longer accepted no matter how much you flutter your eye lashes  ;D
DVSA's attitude is once you have the cpc card there is no excuse whatsoever and aim to rape your bank balance as much as possible  >:( >:(

Read this from page 18 onwards and weep  :(

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/344447/enforcement-sanctions-policy.pdf

I can see a shortage of professional drivers if they bring all those fines in..... :o :o :o
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Re: A coach driver question............
« Reply #21 on: 10 September 2014, 16:43:39 »

Just done my cpc last week.

Bottom line is if the vehicle you are driving weighs over 3 1/2 ton and you make money out of it (either directly or indirectly) you have to have a cpc card and a electronic tachograph card.

Beware lads, VOSA the bastids or DVSA as they like to be known as nowdays are self funded, they are on a mission to shaft as many drivers as possible. Well that's if your British anyway  ;) As all oofers who drive for a living will know, our friends from the continent tend to get away with murder  >:( >:( >:(
Acting dumb / ignorance is no longer accepted no matter how much you flutter your eye lashes  ;D
DVSA's attitude is once you have the cpc card there is no excuse whatsoever and aim to rape your bank balance as much as possible  >:( >:(

Read this from page 18 onwards and weep  :(

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/344447/enforcement-sanctions-policy.pdf

Whilst that is their attitude the reality falls down on some key points:-
1 There is no national syllabus so training centres can all have variations on their approved courses, and
2 There is nothing to stop a driver, especially a freelance/agency driver, doing the same course 5 times. He's done the hours so gets the card. Ask me how I know.

Personally I think CPC has been a missed opportunity to improve knowledge. Hopefully the system will evolve before 2019 when I next have to worry about it.
Lost count of the number of drivers I've sat on courses with who moan that it's just another tax then in the next breath wondering aloud why they regularly collect infringement letters. 
One saving grace, I've yet to meet a driver who has actually been 'done' by vosa/dvsa and though I have seen wagons prohibited at the various inspection sites most of them look easy targets.

Fwiw I had to fund my own 'training', 5 days at c£70 a pop. Plus of course a day off work or give up a rest day. Permanently employed drivers (at least the ones I know) get it gratis and most see it as a cushy shift, but I've yet to find a permanent employer whose idea of holiday entitlement meets with mine.

Thanks to Tigers for the link to the sanctions policy. I've never been able to find it. One saving grace, I've yet to meet a driver who has actually been 'done' by vosa/dvsa and though I have seen wagons prohibited at the various inspection sites most of them look easy targets.


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Re: A coach driver question............
« Reply #22 on: 10 September 2014, 17:23:51 »

I'm lucky, Deflog or TIR training did mine.
5 days / 35 hours minimum sat in a classroom. Must say though,  DVSA (who's inspection garages was around the corner) walked into the classroom twice and sat at the back listening  ::) The look on some of the drivers faces was a picture on the second time because one of the lads had just had a 12 month ban  ;D
Being run by ex army transport squaddies, it was pretty informative BUT we had a good laugh at the same time  :y
Also, I got it for nothing too so even better  :D :D

I'm lucky that I past my test in 1987 so I can drive anything upto 7 ton on my licence and have done tbh  :y
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