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[Entwood]

Sorry Lizzie .. but I must disagree with you, Africa is one of the richest countries in the world for raw materials, and has more than sufficient to be far more than self sufficient in everything.

Unfortunately it also has 2 other things .. tribes and corruption.

These ensure that everyone ends up at the lowest possible point .. never let another tribe get better than you  .. except for the corrupt leaders who "feather their own nests" for their own - mostly tribal - ends.

Just look at the history of Rhodesia, a prosperous, well fed, well housed mostly farming country, often called the "bread basket of Africa" and compare that to Zimbabwe, a poor, war torn, and lawless country now called the "basket case of Africa".

and I won't mention some the atrocities that tribal wars have caused .... Sudan, Burundi, Rwanda and numerous others

Aids/HIV originated in Kinshasa, Ebola originated in Zaire ... 


An awful lot of "self inflicted injuries" in that list ..... so lets not blame the West for all their woes .. even though it is fashionable in left wing circles so to do

Interesting reading ...      http://www.drtomoconnor.com/3160/3160lect04.htm

[05omegav6]

Quite...

A good case, well presented

Probably not worth bothering with a flu jab this year

[Sir Tigger KC]

Sorry Lizzie .. but I must disagree with you, Africa is one of the richest countries in the world for raw materials, and has more than sufficient to be far more than self sufficient in everything.

Unfortunately it also has 2 other things .. tribes and corruption.

These ensure that everyone ends up at the lowest possible point .. never let another tribe get better than you  .. except for the corrupt leaders who "feather their own nests" for their own - mostly tribal - ends.

Just look at the history of Rhodesia, a prosperous, well fed, well housed mostly farming country, often called the "bread basket of Africa" and compare that to Zimbabwe, a poor, war torn, and lawless country now called the "basket case of Africa".

and I won't mention some the atrocities that tribal wars have caused .... Sudan, Burundi, Rwanda and numerous others

Aids/HIV originated in Kinshasa, Ebola originated in Zaire ... 


An awful lot of "self inflicted injuries" in that list ..... so lets not blame the West for all their woes .. even though it is fashionable in left wing circles so to do

Africa is a continent comprised of 53 countries and not a country itself.     The countries are as different and diverse as our own European countries.   

Kinshasa is the capital of The Democratic Republic of the Congo, which used to be called Zaire. 

A bit pedantic maybe, but lets get things right!   

[05omegav6]

There will be some cracking deals for holidays to Gambia this winter...

[Stuart30]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...
As sanitation improves, infant life mortality rates improve which in turn needs a change of behaviour...

This is why your grand parents and their parents were from large families, and why now most people only have one or two kids instead of seven or eight.

Sorry but don't agree...its child abuse pure and simple.

These people are dying due to lack of food and water...yet they knowingly bring children into this world who they know will either die very young or at very best suffer.

No, those people are dying of a lack of food and water because the rest of the world only looks after itself. If there was more will to put things right by the West instead of just arming political regimes then the situation could be very different.

They often bring children into this world through ignorance and poor education, but also with hope for the future, just as was the case not that long ago in Britain. They should be helped to come into the new age not be left stranded in a medieval existence that is also prevalent in other areas of the world.

The rich element of the world has the resource to rectify the situation, but decides instead to bury their heads in the sand and not make the political decisions required. Then the world wonders why we have a health crisis like Ebola!

So how much have you sent....me ive sent nothing as i dont see them as a worthy cause,blunt but just honest.

Why try and help those you dont help themselves...same as this ebola business,look after no.1.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Sorry Lizzie .. but I must disagree with you, Africa is one of the richest countries in the world for raw materials, and has more than sufficient to be far more than self sufficient in everything.

Unfortunately it also has 2 other things .. tribes and corruption.

These ensure that everyone ends up at the lowest possible point .. never let another tribe get better than you  .. except for the corrupt leaders who "feather their own nests" for their own - mostly tribal - ends.

Just look at the history of Rhodesia, a prosperous, well fed, well housed mostly farming country, often called the "bread basket of Africa" and compare that to Zimbabwe, a poor, war torn, and lawless country now called the "basket case of Africa".

and I won't mention some the atrocities that tribal wars have caused .... Sudan, Burundi, Rwanda and numerous others

Aids/HIV originated in Kinshasa, Ebola originated in Zaire ... 


An awful lot of "self inflicted injuries" in that list ..... so lets not blame the West for all their woes .. even though it is fashionable in left wing circles so to do

Interesting reading ...      http://www.drtomoconnor.com/3160/3160lect04.htm

Don't be sorry Entwood as you are right, and in fact you are agreeing with me, but you don't know it!

When I was outlining the problem with Africa I stated:

"No, those people are dying of a lack of food and water because the rest of the world only looks after itself. If there was more will to put things right by the West instead of just arming political regimes then the situation could be very different.

They often bring children into this world through ignorance and poor education, but also with hope for the future, just as was the case not that long ago in Britain. They should be helped to come into the new age not be left stranded in a medieval existence that is also prevalent in other areas of the world."

That is I was saying the rest of the World has a responsibility to politically force those who are responsible for the corruption and the stripping of assets from the people of Africa to cease their activities. The strong countries of the world, instead of looking away and only being interested in what we can get out of Africa in minerals or selling them arms (the British Empire did all that!), should get tough as we would with a oil rich state. The United Nations could place administration systems in place to ensure in the poorest states of Africa water and food is readily available to all, instead of leaving it to charities to do just some of that. The western countries in particular can find the means to go in with military might and spend billions when it politically suits them so why not give Africa that support and rid it of it's corrupt, and yes tribal, system?  What is lacking is will, and the sceptic within me wonders why!

Ebola could well be the sting in the tail for the west, a wake up call, after decades of not facing up to the very human problems and tragedies found in Africa, a continent the homo Sapiens arose from. It is time for the world to work together to resolve it's issues that will affect all of us on this increasingly small planet.  

[05omegav6]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...
As sanitation improves, infant life mortality rates improve which in turn needs a change of behaviour...

This is why your grand parents and their parents were from large families, and why now most people only have one or two kids instead of seven or eight.

Sorry but don't agree...its child abuse pure and simple.

These people are dying due to lack of food and water...yet they knowingly bring children into this world who they know will either die very young or at very best suffer.

So how much have you sent....me ive sent nothing as i dont see them as a worthy cause,blunt but just honest

Why try and help those you dont help themselves...same as this ebola business,look after no.1.

Using that argument why should I/we/us pay taxes which are used to pay child support prop up the NHS/Welfare State?

For example, if I said to you that I thought that everyone north of Watford was a sub species of creature and therefore not worthy of water, electricity, food or medical aid, let alone cash, then I suspect you would all kick off.

I don't agree with the welfare state (at least the way that it is abused by those with an air of entitlement), but that doesn't stop me from paying my tax and national insurance. This is simply being socially responsible. As a responsible, civilised nation we have a duty of care, not only for ourselves, but to everyone/thing else on the planet... Foreign aid is a small price to pay for being a wealthy, developed country, and without charities, foreign aid spending would be far, far higher.

And before I get accused of being a wishy washy peace loving liberal vegetablist, I sniff petrol, eat raw meat and drink beer as often as any other redneck male.

Apologies for going off on one, but it does grate somewhat.

[Varche]

 Spanish Tv yesterday morning. I was shocked when they interviewed the head of health in Madrid. They asked him about the doctor who claimed that the Ebola protection suit was too short for him and that he had skin exposed when he treated the patient.

 "Yes, it's possible. The doctor is much taller than the average Spaniard - nearly 2 m - and our standard suit might not fit him."

Crikey on so many levels.

[Stuart30]

Actually Doesnt play well...id suggest you pay your taxes as you have no choice in the matter,very much like the rest of us.
The uk tax payer pays into a pot...they take the help when needed (have you claimed...it aint easy),unlike others in the world who expect millions if not billions yet the situation never gets better.

Oh and im well aware of big families....my wife is filipino after all.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...
As sanitation improves, infant life mortality rates improve which in turn needs a change of behaviour...

This is why your grand parents and their parents were from large families, and why now most people only have one or two kids instead of seven or eight.

Sorry but don't agree...its child abuse pure and simple.

These people are dying due to lack of food and water...yet they knowingly bring children into this world who they know will either die very young or at very best suffer.

So how much have you sent....me ive sent nothing as i dont see them as a worthy cause,blunt but just honest

Why try and help those you dont help themselves...same as this ebola business,look after no.1.

Using that argument why should I/we/us pay taxes which are used to pay child support prop up the NHS/Welfare State?

For example, if I said to you that I thought that everyone north of Watford was a sub species of creature and therefore not worthy of water, electricity, food or medical aid, let alone cash, then I suspect you would all kick off.

I don't agree with the welfare state (at least the way that it is abused by those with an air of entitlement), but that doesn't stop me from paying my tax and national insurance. This is simply being socially responsible. As a responsible, civilised nation we have a duty of care, not only for ourselves, but to everyone/thing else on the planet... Foreign aid is a small price to pay for being a wealthy, developed country, and without charities, foreign aid spending would be far, far higher.

And before I get accused of being a wishy washy peace loving liberal vegetablist, I sniff petrol, eat raw meat and drink beer as often as any other redneck male.

Apologies for going off on one, but it does grate somewhat.

I agree with everything you have said above; I could not have put it better myself!

We are all in a Social Contract. I could opt out of that contract, exercising my freedom to do so.  But then I opt out of NHS care; Police response and protection; an electric light in the street outside my home: a state pension; a road I can use to get to the shops, etc, etc.  I have to take the rough with the smooth and accept that, whilst voting for the changes I want. Taking away help to the weak of this world is not an option, as one day I may need that help! With Ebola we all have a responsibility to fight it or perhaps say good bye to everything we know.

[05omegav6]

Actually Doesnt play well...id suggest you pay your taxes as you have no choice in the matter,very much like the rest of us.
The uk tax payer pays into a pot...they take the help when needed (have you claimed...it aint easy),unlike others in the world who expect millions if not billions yet the situation never gets better.

Oh and im well aware of big families....my wife is filipino after all.

I have no intention of claiming for anything, especially not children, as I won't consider having any until I can afford to do so

The people who receive aid don't expect or demand it... unlike those who claim for every last penny here.

[Stuart30]

Actually Doesnt play well...id suggest you pay your taxes as you have no choice in the matter,very much like the rest of us.
The uk tax payer pays into a pot...they take the help when needed (have you claimed...it aint easy),unlike others in the world who expect millions if not billions yet the situation never gets better.

Oh and im well aware of big families....my wife is filipino after all.

I have no intention of claiming for anything, especially not children, as I won't consider having any until I can afford to do so

The people who receive aid don't expect or demand it... unlike those who claim for every last penny here.

But that's my point...why do these poor countries insist on doing so...id love 10 kids,i know that we couldn't afford it,so we have stopped with just the twins.

Ebola will effect us soon enough...and we should be looking out for ourselves,do we really need to support places like India and the African countries,seeing as they have money to send rockets into space and the latter has had billions donated and the situation hasn't changed has it.

We need to be selfish and look after our own and then once were all on a level with each other,only then we should be looking at helping others with what we have spare.

[05omegav6]

The only thing that separates Man from Bacteria is humanity, (and opposing thumbs)...

Turning our backs on those less fortunate serves only to undermine everything which makes us human.

As and when Ebola arrives, we have the medicines and resources to deal with it. Sure some will die, and some won't be affected by it, but we will on the whole get by.

[Stuart30]

The only thing that separates Man from Bacteria is humanity, (and opposing thumbs)...

Turning our backs on those less fortunate serves only to undermine everything which makes us human.

As and when Ebola arrives, we have the medicines and resources to deal with it. Sure some will die, and some won't be affected by it, but we will on the whole get by.

Really...id say its more damaging to allow them to continue (in the case of the starving countries who continually need support) sending Aid.

Who are we doing it for..them or us.

[Varche]

Actually Doesnt play well...id suggest you pay your taxes as you have no choice in the matter,very much like the rest of us.
The uk tax payer pays into a pot...they take the help when needed (have you claimed...it aint easy),unlike others in the world who expect millions if not billions yet the situation never gets better.

Oh and im well aware of big families....my wife is filipino after all.

I have no intention of claiming for anything, especially not children, as I won't consider having any until I can afford to do so

The people who receive aid don't expect or demand it... unlike those who claim for every last penny here.

But that's my point...why do these poor countries insist on doing so...id love 10 kids,i know that we couldn't afford it,so we have stopped with just the twins.

Ebola will effect us soon enough...and we should be looking out for ourselves,do we really need to support places like India and the African countries,seeing as they have money to send rockets into space and the latter has had billions donated and the situation hasn't changed has it.

We need to be selfish and look after our own and then once were all on a level with each other,only then we should be looking at helping others with what we have spare.

Without education and birth control(s) it is human nature to reproduce. Apart from what else "fun" is there to do when you are dirt poor, it actually makes sense to have a large family. With mortality rates being high compared to Western countries( with healthcare so good we are all going to live forever) you need to keep reproducing to make sure some get to adulthood and can then look after you if you make older age. The trick is the transition from one to the other. This is one area that "aid" works on. The Chinese managed it. In fact they managed it rather too well making Europe look profilate.