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[05omegav6]

Is it friction driven? You know, pull it back and let go? like the toy cars you buy kids?

The Beetle might as well be

[iansoutham]

We sell them in work. Everybody goes ga-ga whenever a new one comes in for a customer. Let them get on with it.

Don't get me wrong, they drive VERY nice, power off the line will surprise many a supercar driver and they have a 1.5L 3-cylinder petrol-turbo engine from the new F56 Mini Cooper for when the 'leccy meter runs out and to recharge the battery.

Unfortunately, they are still a 94K car and if I had to spend that money on a BMW, it would be an M5 with all the options, including the 10K ceramic brake upgrade and HUD system, plus I would still have enough change to run it for a year, not a hybrid.

On a similar note though, the I3 hybrid (not the all-electric version) is well priced and a good seller....... (even though a newborn infant in N.Korea could have designed a better-looking one).

[Shackeng]

Talking of Beemers, I haven't seen Del Boy on here lately.

[henryd]

Talking of Beemers, I haven't seen Del Boy on here lately.

I was thinking same tother day

[Diamond Black Geezer]

It's a bit more design for designs sake - basically part of the international unwritten competition to fit as many surfaces and lines on a car's bodyshell as possible. It's more successful than the i3 - and a perfect example of how if you design something that long and low, it's almost bound to look good - but when you try and force those same lines on a 'normal' proportioned car - like the i3 - suddenly it looks a mess, and shows just how messy the form language is.

Lots of criticism gets aimed at VAG for being 'boring', but as a for instance, the Golf is protected, and always looks clean, simple and a neat execution, and ages well. I still think the Mk 4 looks great today, and doesn't look dated in the car park, in spite of its 18 years of age.


18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

[aaronjb]

18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

You feel old.. I remember the Mk2 coming out!

[Kevin Wood]

18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

You feel old.. I remember the Mk2 coming out!

Not the Mk.1 then?

Spring chicken.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

You feel old.. I remember the Mk2 coming out!

really?!?! oooh eck!

[aaronjb]

  Mk2 Golf! (Mk2 Jag is a much better looking car, though )

18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

You feel old.. I remember the Mk2 coming out!

Not the Mk.1 then?

Spring chicken.

I'm old .. not ancient 

[Kevin Wood]

Mk2 Golf! (Mk2 Jag is a much better looking car, though )

18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

You feel old.. I remember the Mk2 coming out!

Not the Mk.1 then?

Spring chicken.

I'm old .. not ancient 

[henryd]

18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

You feel old.. I remember the Mk2 coming out!

Not the Mk.1 then?

Spring chicken.

I remember the beetle getting Mac pherson struts at the front

[Kevin Wood]

18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

You feel old.. I remember the Mk2 coming out!

Not the Mk.1 then?

Spring chicken.

I remember the beetle getting Mac pherson struts at the front

OK. You've got me there.

[Shackeng]

18!??!? That car came out 18 years ago!? Jesus H Christ, I feel old, now!

You feel old.. I remember the Mk2 coming out!

Not the Mk.1 then?

Spring chicken.

I remember the beetle getting Mac pherson struts at the front

Snap! We torsion bar enthusiasts never forgave them.

[Marks DTM Calib]

How can you EVER be a fan of torsion bars on the front of a car......NOTHING but trouble.

[Kevin Wood]

How can you EVER be a fan of torsion bars on the front of a car......NOTHING but trouble.

Oh, God! he's reminded me of my morris Ital.

Kept having to lop bits off the mud flaps to stop them dragging on the road during cornering - if you could call it that!