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Interesting tech
« on: 09 April 2015, 13:16:11 »

I stumbled across this and found it fascinating.  I especially like the ability to modify the road markings according to the situation and alerting the drive of dangers ahead.

http://www.solarroadways.com/intro.shtml
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« Reply #1 on: 09 April 2015, 13:35:20 »

A lot of miss informed bull shit in the article but seems a reasonable idea.....no idea what would happen to them if driven over by 40 ton trucks thousands of times a day
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Re: Interesting tech
« Reply #2 on: 09 April 2015, 13:42:28 »

Yeah I dont like the video myself and some of the claims are.....well.......

but the concept is interesting and if the tech can withstand the beating then wow!
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« Reply #3 on: 09 April 2015, 13:49:57 »

Surface grip performance and frost damage would be but two concerns :-\
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« Reply #4 on: 09 April 2015, 14:07:10 »

It's what bugs me about design - so much 'pie in the sky' or, ok, it may be technically feasible, but no-one considers what would happen in the real world, of snow, ice, punishment, vandalism, deterioration through age etc.. as Taxi Al points out.

Peugeot Onyx concept car with bare copper body panels. When the designer was asked "Have you thought about how the body will age, and weather, and start to look tatty and worn very quickly" after a long pause, and a blank face the answer was "yes" Sort of like for 130 years we've been painting body panels, and half a dozen people with sunglasses decide 'ahh, no, that was clearly a mistake, let's not bother with paint. All them of farts painting their cars? Ha! We know better! And copper is a dead cheap, and in no way a soft metal, it doesn't work-harden, and is the very perfect material to make a bodyshell out of.'

It feels like we're heading toward a future where unless every surface we interact with doesn't have a touchscreen, electric motor or some kind of changing appearance, then it's for the scrap heap. And all in the name of saving the planet, too. But the two are incompatible. It's like I always wonder why electric vehicles are always festooned with ambient lighting, and touchscreens and LCD screen all over - um... doesn't all that lot use electricity - that the car should ideally be using for frward motion? Now an electric Caterham with worm drive speedo and nothing else, that would work! Every amp would be used efficiently.

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Re: Interesting tech
« Reply #5 on: 09 April 2015, 14:25:06 »

Isn't that how we advance though?  By trying new things?  Sure they may not work first time or even at all but nothing ventured nothing gained.

It sounds like they had some issues in the pilot but learnt from them and adapted some things.

Call me a risk-taker but I am genuinely interested in this.





(oh and if the panels are heated like they say then there would be no frost damage, or salt for that manner.... :y)
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« Reply #6 on: 09 April 2015, 14:42:23 »

Be interesting to see what they look like after a year of Florida sun... :-\
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« Reply #7 on: 09 April 2015, 15:08:26 »

Isn't that how we advance though?  By trying new things?  Sure they may not work first time or even at all but nothing ventured nothing gained.

It sounds like they had some issues in the pilot but learnt from them and adapted some things.

Call me a risk-taker but I am genuinely interested in this.





(oh and if the panels are heated like they say then there would be no frost damage, or salt for that manner.... :y)

Absolutely agree with that, yes.  :y

It's more that, well I wish there was a bit more of what I could call the Jurassic Park level of thinking in design.. that wonderful line "we were so caught up in whether we could we didn't stop to think whether we should" and that's a good way of looking at the world, in my humble. We can do many things n this world, and technology marches on, of course. But the chief priority for us as a species is to be kind to the rock we're all living on - to preserve the life that resides here, be it human or other animals.

If this technology means the roads are safer, that is fine. But it must do it in a way that offers a lower carbon footprint than that already generated by conventional roadbuilding methods - and ideally a fair whack less. Consider the Hollywood Actor that buys a new Prius every year to be 'green' and 'save the planet' - year, but they have a corvette in the garage, too, and in any case, the thing costs far more to produce in the first place than a normal car, and doesn't offset its own imprint on the planet via reduced tailpipe emissions for several years. So buying a new Prius every year actually costs the planet.

Not damning this technology, not at all, it's very exciting. But we're all scrabbling to invent new greener, safer ways of doing things - which in turn means throwing out the old, still perfectly serviceable technology it claims to replace. But often keeping something going by proper maintenance and care, like an Omega for instance, is often greener than simply disposing of it, on the claim that it is 'recyclable' We had many a debate over these issues with lecturers, and the true impact of new tech, which offers alleged golden eggs.

If I were asked to design a new safer road surface, I'd probably start looking at finding a means of pulping, grinding certain types of landfill - perhaps even crumbing plastic, something we have an inexhaustible supply of - and mixing it with a natural bonding agent such as tar, or maybe look toward something less noxious / sustainable. A road sign by the side of the road which can change like a TV screen has massive advantages in terms of ease of maintenance, compared with a road surface that does the same, too.

As for glowing roads that alert us to roe deer in the road, the Mk. 1 Eyeball still has a function, and in any case the road scanning technologies / self-driving cars are literally around the corner. If they're not careful this road technology may get made obsolete like the Forth and Clyde canal, intended to help sail vessels circumvent the hazardous trip around Scotland which was opened just in time for the invention of Steam ships, or the Minidisc, three seconds before mp3s come about.

I purely speculate, and as these words shall last for as long as this is hosted, I could in fact be marking myself down for all time as Betamax man, here  :y
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Re: Interesting tech
« Reply #8 on: 09 April 2015, 15:13:14 »

Ah yes, the mk1 eyeball is doing such a good job ::) ;D ;D ;D

I hear you on all your points.  On the carbon footprint front, according to my current client the cement and aggregates industry produce about 7% of all the global air pollution........ :o

Mortar aint that green :-\
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« Reply #9 on: 09 April 2015, 15:17:01 »

Now an electric Caterham with worm drive speedo and nothing else, that would work! Every amp would be used efficiently.

This close enough for you? http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289018/electric_westfield_iracer_performance_figures.html ;)
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« Reply #10 on: 09 April 2015, 15:25:36 »

That's raised a very good point - and one of the things on my 'ten things I'd do to change the world' list.... cement / mortar / general building materials. That criminal amount of pollution used in making a ton of cement is horrific. There was a Grand Designs a few years back, and they were making a super green house, build into the landscape, triple glazed, grass on the roof, all the LEDs and geor thermal you could fit in. However, there was a snag... they used several (by several I mean dozen and dozens) of tons of concrete. I did a bit of googling, and found what amount of carbon is released in order to produce than amount of concrete. They might as well have bought a 1930s Semi, and left the engine running on a Merc AMG in the front garden for 6 months, and they'd still have been more green to the planet  ::)

So wholeheartedly with you on that, I really want to come up with a use for landfill. I've often speculated 'imagine what would happen if we found a use for vehicle exhaust gases' in the same way Marmite is a bi-product of the brewing industry.
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« Reply #11 on: 09 April 2015, 15:30:51 »

Now an electric Caterham with worm drive speedo and nothing else, that would work! Every amp would be used efficiently.

This close enough for you? http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289018/electric_westfield_iracer_performance_figures.html ;)


Dammit I said Caterham!!! Haha, no, but seriously, exactly that. Good find, and Lotus are playing with it, too. Rolls Royce were, but not sure if they're actually going ahead with it or not. Personally I think it works very well on a luxury car, where smoothness and lack of vibration are paramount.
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Re: Interesting tech
« Reply #12 on: 09 April 2015, 15:32:00 »

Now an electric Caterham with worm drive speedo and nothing else, that would work! Every amp would be used efficiently.

This close enough for you? http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289018/electric_westfield_iracer_performance_figures.html ;)

It'd certainly convince me to go the way of the milk float. 8)

As for the road surface things, I've got a radical idea. Take them away from the snow, salt, sh!te and wear on the road surface, put them on sticks and call them signs. 
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« Reply #13 on: 09 April 2015, 15:32:53 »

I always thought "being green" was just another way of saying "getting to show everyone you have more money than them while feeling smug about it" (except Matt's milk float, obviously, because he's bigger and harder than me  :P ;) ) - as you mentioned about celebs with their Priapisms and people who build that kind of pretentious "eco home"..

And when you look at recycling you can see some shocking things; car battery recycling where the batteries are sent to a third world country to be smashed apart by children with hammers so the lead can be rescued thus exposing them to the risk of chemical burns, poisoning the ground and ultimately them with lead, or electronic recycling that is sent to China so tiny quantities of gold can be extracted while the rest turns the water courses black with toxic chemicals.. meanwhile we (who sent it all there) get to feel pleased with ourselves for "saving the planet"..


Now an electric Caterham with worm drive speedo and nothing else, that would work! Every amp would be used efficiently.

This close enough for you? http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289018/electric_westfield_iracer_performance_figures.html ;)


Dammit I said Caterham!!! Haha, no, but seriously, exactly that. Good find, and Lotus are playing with it, too. Rolls Royce were, but not sure if they're actually going ahead with it or not. Personally I think it works very well on a luxury car, where smoothness and lack of vibration are paramount.

;D I could have sworn Caterham had produced one as well, but I couldn't find that .. but you know, Caterham, Westfield .. that's like tomato tomato ;) ;D
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« Reply #14 on: 09 April 2015, 15:37:33 »

;D I could have sworn Caterham had produced one as well, but I couldn't find that .. but you know, Caterham, Westfield .. that's like tomato tomato ;) ;D

Nope. You don't want a Cateringvan. :P
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