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who has right of way?
« on: 15 April 2015, 22:49:32 »

Your on the motorway and your in the fast lane you overtake a car in the middle lane
and indicate to pull into the said middle lane
At the same time
A car in the slow lane needs to overtake the car in front of him so also indicates to pull into the middle lane
hence going into the same space you are
Who has right of way?
Anyone/No one?
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #1 on: 15 April 2015, 22:56:59 »

You need to give way/keep clear as the overtaking vehicle... Arguably the vehicle in lane one shouldn't move out unless it's safe to do...
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #2 on: 15 April 2015, 22:58:38 »

Ultimately, I think, both are in a grey area as neither are established in lane.

But to me, lane three will be coming up on lane 1, so should be in an easier position to avoid, hence IMO if anything, lane 1 should be excused slightly more than lane 3. But that's just me. ;D
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #3 on: 15 April 2015, 23:29:02 »

not sure anyone has 'right of way' as Al said he should not pull unless safe to do so :y
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #4 on: 15 April 2015, 23:57:27 »

Would end up as a "knock for knock" IMHO, as both drivers should satisfy themselves that the lane they are about to inhabit is clear. Both are indicating and therefore an obvious hazard to the other.
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #5 on: 15 April 2015, 23:59:05 »

IMO...its a bit of 'even steven'. The fast lane chappie, should be observing all traffic in front of him when he plans his manoeuvre, Likewise the slow lane chappie should be observing what is happening behind, and also in front.

Its one of those situations where to be a good driver, you should be aware of all things happening around you. Not the usual attitude  'I am doing this, sod you, get out of my way' :y
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #6 on: 16 April 2015, 00:06:28 »

if everyone indicated for every lane change and let it flash 4 times before moving, like they should,  it wouldn't arise.  nor would a lot of accidents
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« Reply #7 on: 16 April 2015, 00:18:04 »

It is one of few situations where a short toot is genuinely in order... not a "Sod off out of my lane" toot, but more of a brief "Cooey, there's actually another car next to you in your blind spot" toot ;)
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #8 on: 16 April 2015, 00:22:23 »

Woo. That envisaged a much less differential in speed than I had in mind. A short toot would be way too late in the scenario I had in mind. :)
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« Reply #9 on: 16 April 2015, 00:29:03 »

If you're both doing 70ish and heading for the same space in lane two, the lateral closing speed isn't much different from say 40... obviously more ground being covered, and a panic reaction to a late shoulder check has the potential to cause more chaos at the higher speed ;)
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #10 on: 16 April 2015, 00:44:21 »

If you're both doing 70ish and heading for the same space in lane two, the lateral closing speed isn't much different from say 40... obviously more ground being covered, and a panic reaction to a late shoulder check has the potential to cause more chaos at the higher speed ;)

At the speeds I envisaged, I wouldn't be moving to lane 2 if lane 1 was looking like it even smells like it wants to pull to lane 2.

Point being, a toot won't help. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: 16 April 2015, 08:10:52 »

Personally,I would say it's about 'risk assessment' and seeing the appalling standard of general driving on a daily basis, especially on the motorways where in all honesty a lot of drivers do what they want without much thought to what's going on around them.Then it's more about your own personal safety and for me I tend to back off and presume that they'll do what they intend to do without a thought to me.I might take a bit longer to get to where I'm going,but so far it's worked for me...famous last words. ::)
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #12 on: 16 April 2015, 08:35:04 »

Give way to traffic approaching from your right.
Don't know the rule or number in the book of rules 'highway code'
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« Reply #13 on: 16 April 2015, 09:05:36 »

Give way to traffic approaching from your right.
Don't know the rule or number in the book of rules 'highway code'
That's true of giveway lines and stop lines (having first stopped of course), but overtaking vehicle must keep clear of the vehicle being overtaken :y

But as noted, rules mean nowt unless you follow the mirror position mirror speed mirror signal mirror look mirror manoeuvre routine.

If you only do one of those things it should be the looking bit and preferably over the shoulder into the lane that you intend to move into ::)
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Re: who has right of way?
« Reply #14 on: 16 April 2015, 09:12:16 »

If you're both doing 70ish and heading for the same space in lane two, the lateral closing speed isn't much different from say 40... obviously more ground being covered, and a panic reaction to a late shoulder check has the potential to cause more chaos at the higher speed ;)

At the speeds I envisaged, I wouldn't be moving to lane 2 if lane 1 was looking like it even smells like it wants to pull to lane 2.

Point being, a toot won't help. ;)

I like that, I can relate to that as well.  ;D ;D :y

The OP's question is I believe, just one example of forward thinking and observation and if I was in lane three and suspected a car in lane one was even near enough to the car in front of them to overtake I would certainly stay out there until totally clear to pull back in. Treat every other driver as a hazard and you'll live longer.  :y
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