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omega suspension feeling very tired
« on: 11 June 2015, 20:34:24 »

Hi all can anyone give me the best way to go? Front suspension history couple of months ago fitted poly bushes but now getting a knock and clank noise from the front end suspect rear bushes or drop links or both is the way to go to refurb the existing  bones or replace with new after market ones? Rear suspension has also developed knocking when going over bumps I haven't had chance to investigate the problem yet. what could be the cause? Obviously taking into consideration the age of the car cost of repairs is a major concern I still love my Omega and body wise she scrubs up like she has just left the showroom. However with nearly 100K on the clock and fifteen years old I have to consider is it time to say goodbye? That said I would really like to get a few more years out of her Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #1 on: 11 June 2015, 21:19:39 »

Mileage is bang on target for shocks and bushes... Looking at £5-600 to sort, but it's a once every 5 or so years bill, so actually not a big deal if the car is a keeper :y
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #2 on: 11 June 2015, 21:54:49 »

Sounds like drop links front and rear, could do with checking. Start with those, front drop links are only £20 odd each. Rears are a little more, dead easy to change.
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #3 on: 11 June 2015, 22:04:04 »

100k ? Bah, a mere kitten.

Where the poly greased? They stick and can knock when they suddenly un stick.


I have poly roll bar bushes, which I sprayed with grease on a hunch after getting a random knock/bang type noise. Only once a week. Noise stopped for a month or so then returned. They'll be coming off to confirm when I get time. No benefit from them anyway afaict.

Rear, get the Mrs to drive while you sit in the back and pull the rear seats down. One hand  on the rear shocks top nut/shaft and you can feel an awful lot if what's going on back there.
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #4 on: 12 June 2015, 00:57:28 »

Mileage is bang on target for shocks and bushes... Looking at £5-600 to sort, but it's a once every 5 or so years bill, so actually not a big deal if the car is a keeper :y

Al clearly uses gold plated bushes!  ;D
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #5 on: 12 June 2015, 01:10:08 »

£240 for shocks.
£150 for poly all round.
£75 for Atp wishbones etc.
Plus labour and set up... ::)
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #6 on: 12 June 2015, 06:54:28 »

Mileage is bang on target for shocks and bushes... Looking at £5-600 to sort, but it's a once every 5 or so years bill, so actually not a big deal if the car is a keeper :y

Al clearly uses gold plated bushes!  ;D
Clearly Tigger uses home made plastesine bushes. ::)
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #7 on: 12 June 2015, 09:13:01 »

£240 for shocks.
£150 for poly all round.
£75 for Atp wishbones etc.
Plus labour and set up... ::)

Odd's on, all he needs is a set of droplinks....  ::)

You'll scare the fella into sending it off to the scrappy quoting those sort of figures.  ;D
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #8 on: 12 June 2015, 10:11:52 »

OP... welcome to the DBG Academy of making your suspension brand new for scrapyard money...  :y


1 Droplinks - less than £20, and check the rear damper using the 'wife' method as described. Potentially you're looking at a sat afternoon's work and less than £80.
2 Refurbing the whole suspension. You have Polys already, so you can either take there car off the road in order to do the suspension work, or
3 Refurbing the whole suspension. Buy everything you need then fit it all on a long weekend.

Clearly option 1 is the cheapest best bet initially; moving to option 2 as you won't have to temporarily own two of everything until such time as you end up removing the car's existing bits and sending them to scrap, if you follow

So, let's go with option 2...
-You already own Polys, saved £50 already. You don't need rear ones
-Already have the wishbones. If they're in decent shape/will refurb, you've saved a massive chunk - as little as £50, as much as several hundred. Get some angledrinder wire brushes and some satin black paint, you're at maybe £20
-Buy some genuine GM bushes - there are the most shocking cost, at £36 the pair. Don't be clever and scrimp here with some for less than a fiver. They will fail very quick and eat your lovely tyres with them.
-Clean up and drill out/attack/burn/chew/dig with bare hands the old bushes out.
-If you feel the need, also change the ball joints. This is personal preference, if no knocking here leave for another day. Cost around £20 for QH or similar decent - up to £40 for GM
-Droplinks/trackrods. ATP on mine at only £34.10 for four lumps of very good quality metal, bargain.

You're at £90, or £110 if you fancy getting some ball joints too.

Now the biiig one...

-Dampers/Shocks. You can fit Bilstein B4s, which I got for £183 for a set fo 4. Shop around, but may end up paying £214. Anything under a bonus. That's the 'gold' service, and effectively the 'best' you can get. (B6 is harder, for the more sporty driver, and you'd want some better springs etc etc, but we're talking here about best compromise between quality and your bank balance so will leave that for now  :y) You can get perfectly good dampers (ATP) for around £100 for a set of four. It may be you're perfectly happy with your dampers, or know they're only a few years old, who knows. I leave this cost up to you. Worth doing, save you dissembling again next year.

Let's go cheaper dampers, so we're up to £190.

-Get your wishbones, pop to a local greasy garage, and for a can of Carlingsberguinness get the new bushes pressed in.
-Take home, paint in satin black, grease and press in the polys.
-Take off the old track rods and droplinks (or just remove the whole macpherson strut in you're changing this. *
-Fit the new ones (how to fit spring onto a new damper is dealt with elsewhere, but if you can'[t find, just pm me  :y)

You now have new dampers, droplinks, shiny, fresh wishbones with the best bushes money can buy, new trackrods, and dampers at the rear too. Drive to local, recommended, decent tyre people for a geometry setup. that's probably around £50

Car transformed, and you'll feel hugely rewarded and proud at the same time, at an all-in price of £240 (up to something like £360 if you get B4s better balljoints etc but that's in your court)

Let us know how you get on!  :y


*it's dealt with elsewhere, so for simplicities sake I've not mentioned about how to temporarily 'preserve' your car's original setup when changing the suspension, Basically involves measuring how far the strut is from the wheel by jamming a socket in the gap. It's dealt with elsewhere, and feel free to ask all you like on the forum as and when you need to know - and always before you take something off, lest you inadvertantly cock something up  :y
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #9 on: 12 June 2015, 10:14:47 »

Hi all can anyone give me the best way to go? Front suspension history couple of months ago fitted poly bushes but now getting a knock and clank noise from the front end suspect rear bushes or drop links or both is the way to go to refurb the existing  bones or replace with new after market ones? Rear suspension has also developed knocking when going over bumps I haven't had chance to investigate the problem yet. what could be the cause? Obviously taking into consideration the age of the car cost of repairs is a major concern I still love my Omega and body wise she scrubs up like she has just left the showroom. However with nearly 100K on the clock and fifteen years old I have to consider is it time to say goodbye? That said I would really like to get a few more years out of her Any advice would be greatly appreciated



Mine required all I've mentioned, plus changed the springs, fitted a replacement front bearing, ground rust off the inner wing, repainted and stone-chipped, stripped and painted the steering knuckles, took apart and refurbished the front calipers, replaced seals and discss/pads - and she's on 177k+ so no way this is time to say goodbye to your car yet. PLENTY of life left yet  :)
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« Reply #10 on: 12 June 2015, 12:19:35 »

Two A few things... ::)

Firstly, for another £40, ATP will throw in a pair of wishbones... old ones might not be reusable.  I have pulled of a buckled pair from a car with a much lower mileage than OPs.

Secondly, rear suspension clonks are generally failed shocks and failed subframe bushes... waste of time trying to set geometry if the subframe moves like a drunk sailor under load.

Thirdly, don't pay ATPs ebay prices... buy direct from their website.

Fourthly, not everyone has the luxury of time to fart arse around doing what you did... incidentally you make no reference to the amount of time or money spent in evenings/materials...

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« Reply #11 on: 12 June 2015, 12:24:58 »

I didn't have a good experience with ATP wishbones.  After 10,000 miles the front and rear bushes were shot and the weld around the rear bush mounting was starting to crack.  :o

Maybe mine were a 'Friday set'.....  :-\
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #12 on: 12 June 2015, 13:19:45 »

Apologies for offering a 'farting about' methodology.


OP please, spend the £600 as suggested.
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Re: omega suspension feeling very tired
« Reply #13 on: 12 June 2015, 13:26:00 »

I didn't have a good experience with ATP wishbones.  After 10,000 miles the front and rear bushes were shot and the weld around the rear bush mounting was starting to crack.  :o

Maybe mine were a 'Friday set'.....  :-\


The good Mr Ex Sir Tigger has offered a good reason for using your known existing wishbones, provided they're in decent enough shape.   :)


Oh, and the OP can have his choice of about 6 wishbones in my back yard free if he wants a set to chop up, and re-bush them, without taking his car off the road.


Actually, I'm in that kind of mood, I have a brand new, still in the plastic droplink. You can have it for price of postage, OP, or if you want to come over, choose some wishbones, I'll give you the droplinkthen, and treat you to as many cuppas as you can drink, and we can talk Omegas all day if you like  :)
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« Reply #14 on: 12 June 2015, 14:01:34 »

Apologies for offering a 'farting about' methodology.
Why? If you have the luxury of time AND the wishbones are viable then it's a perfectly reasonable approach :y

A complete set of cheap wishbones will get the car back on the road in an afternoon, with Gm bushes pressed in if that's your thang, with no fuss/drama... Leaving all the time in the world to refurbish the original ones (with the caveat that they are sound and straight)...

I didn't have a good experience with ATP wishbones.  After 10,000 miles the front and rear bushes were shot and the weld around the rear bush mounting was starting to crack.  :o

Maybe mine were a 'Friday set'.....  :-\
I know I failed German A level, but they provide a two year warranty iirc... ::)
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