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Author Topic: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?  (Read 5759 times)

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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #15 on: 15 June 2015, 19:35:21 »

I think the problem with most if not all surveys on any topic at all,is that you can virtually guarantee the result you/your sponsors want simply by wording the question differently,so I tend not to take too much notice of them!
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #16 on: 16 June 2015, 15:55:58 »

Russia is still using WWII tactics in Ukraine. Massed artillery bombardments which has caused over 60% of Ukraine's casualties, followed by waves of tanks and infantry.

Thats because its so bloody effective.  Most countries still try and amass battlegroups of 2 tanks and 2 armoured infantry especially to smash through difficult and well - defended positions. Those that dont are devoid of suitable formations to make them.

until they 'de escalate' with battlefield tactical nuclear weapons as this is standard Russian military doctrine. :( :( :( :(

So wrong it's not even funny.

Here is an explanation of a limited Russian nuclear strike as a De-escalation policy!

http://thebulletin.org/why-russia-calls-limited-nuclear-strike-de-escalation

and the bio of the author

http://thebulletin.org/bio/nikolai-n-sokov

Sadly, European countries still cutting defense budgets (CaMoron has just sliced another £500m, so we drop below the 2% NATO requirement, while telling the MOD how lucky they are as he planned £1bn (rumour is that it will be £3bn/pa by end of this Parliament)) and relying more on the US for defence, makes it more likely for Russia to chance their hand, in somewhere like the Baltics, so they have smaller direct borders with NATO countries and if things don't go well by conventional means, then to use, most likely in Europe, limited nuclear strike de-escalation. This has been practiced in Russian exercises in the last few years including a simulated strike on Warsaw.
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #17 on: 16 June 2015, 16:34:45 »

Glad is on the news today. He's putting 40 new ICBM's into service this year. He said they will be able to overcome even the most technically advanced anti-missile systems.
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #18 on: 16 June 2015, 17:17:42 »

Russian logic: It is perfectly acceptable for us to threaten US and NATO with nuclear weapons, but if in return you put conventional forces into storage, in Eastern Europe, that is destabilizing! >:( >:( >:(



In reality, they would have been overrun, while Obama is still at the UN, pleading with Putin, let's talk about this. But there again the US now seems to have the strategy of arming its enemies before destroying them. ISIS is using lots of ex-Iraqi forces US equipment! :o :o :o :o
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #19 on: 16 June 2015, 19:10:52 »

Tell you what, you keep reading articles written by scientists who are paid to make nuclear weapons, and public rhetoric from a general who is nothing but a mouthpiece for the russian regime*....and I'll keep reading what i read.

There is more risk to us from a terrorist getting his hands on material for a dirty bomb or a rogue nuclear state than from a nuclear power with whom we have been in nuclear stalement for over half a century.

*and that noise is more for the appeasement of the russian people than to scare the rest of the world ie look how tough we are!
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #20 on: 16 June 2015, 20:05:25 »

Tell you what, you keep reading articles written by scientists who are paid to make nuclear weapons, and public rhetoric from a general who is nothing but a mouthpiece for the russian regime*....and I'll keep reading what i read.

There is more risk to us from a terrorist getting his hands on material for a dirty bomb or a rogue nuclear state than from a nuclear power with whom we have been in nuclear stalement for over half a century.

*and that noise is more for the appeasement of the russian people than to scare the rest of the world ie look how tough we are!
I agree totally, Matt, but with a maniacal egotist at the helm, it is a bit of a worry. These idiots are usually got shut of by their own people. I wish they'd hurry up.
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #21 on: 16 June 2015, 20:57:23 »

Here is an explanation of a limited Russian nuclear strike as a De-escalation policy!

just read that and it says

"Ultimately the 2010 doctrine tightened conditions under which nuclear weapons could be used. Whereas the 2000 document allowed for their use “in situations critical to the national security” of Russia, the 2010 edition limited them to situations in which “the very existence of the state is under threat.

which is odd as it is the opposite of what i thought you were saying.
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #22 on: 16 June 2015, 21:02:26 »

Here is an explanation of a limited Russian nuclear strike as a De-escalation policy!

just read that and it says

"Ultimately the 2010 doctrine tightened conditions under which nuclear weapons could be used. Whereas the 2000 document allowed for their use “in situations critical to the national security” of Russia, the 2010 edition limited them to situations in which “the very existence of the state is under threat.

which is odd as it is the opposite of what i thought you were saying.



Rod has sexual fantasies about Putin  ;)
If fact some people believe Rod has a blow up doll of Vlad, stashed in his wardrobe for special occasions  ;)

Allegedly anyway  :D :D :D
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #23 on: 17 June 2015, 18:00:49 »

Here is an explanation of a limited Russian nuclear strike as a De-escalation policy!

just read that and it says

"Ultimately the 2010 doctrine tightened conditions under which nuclear weapons could be used. Whereas the 2000 document allowed for their use “in situations critical to the national security” of Russia, the 2010 edition limited them to situations in which “the very existence of the state is under threat.

which is odd as it is the opposite of what i thought you were saying.



Rod has sexual fantasies about Putin  ;)
If fact some people believe Rod has a blow up doll of Vlad, stashed in his wardrobe for special occasions  ;)

Allegedly anyway  :D :D :D

I think you're confusing me with STMO, his blow up Vlad sits in the snot box front passenger seat. He says the box of incontinence pants are a booster seat, so Vlad can see out, but I have my doubts. :P ::) :o :o :o

My only fantasy involves heads and an extra 5.56 or 5.45mm hole or two.

Unfortunately, for most people with most things, like far off wars, the dead and injured are just anonymous names and statistics, until it involves you, your immediate family, distant family, neighbours, work colleagues or friends. The Donbas / Luhansk front doesn't have too move that far before two of my families houses will be in artillery / Grad range and I've got 6 Ukrainian nephews, 5 of whom are eligible for conscription and frontline service. At the current 2% annual KIA and 8% WIA rates, there will be a 10% chance of one being killed and 50% chance of one being wounded over the 12 month (or the more normal until you are released) conscription length, which could be anything from a scratch to life changing injuries. Medivac, field hospitals etc., currently just don't exist along with any thoughts of golden hours, although battlefield first aid training and first aid kits have improved over the last 12 months. This is why it is very different for me to most on here and why I do my best to fight Ukraine's corner in anyway I can.

In Ukraine families are incredibly close, where it is the 1st order natural survival unit. Outside of the big cities wages are typically £50 to £200 and unemployment benefits and pensions around £15 a month, with prices as high and in many cases higher than in the UK where their distribution and retail systems are not as efficient as ours. Village life involves growing food and keeping animals as a necessity not a luxury. Gas and Electricity prices used to be heavily subsidised (and were bankrupting the government) at about 10% of ours, but have now sensibly been brought up to about the same as ours, but fuel poverty, poor insulation and winter temperatures down to -25deg C are not a good combination. Fortunately, my wife's immediate family have wood burning and gas boilers for their central heating and have managed to buy 7cu/m of oak at the 'right' spring price, which they have been busy cutting to size and chopping ready to see them through next winter.

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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #24 on: 17 June 2015, 18:19:28 »

Nah, that's bluster....you fancy Vlad  :-*
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #26 on: 17 June 2015, 20:48:17 »

Looks a bit like my missus.  ;D
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Re: Gallup Survey: Would you be willing to fight for your country?
« Reply #27 on: 18 June 2015, 10:18:41 »

I agree totally, Matt, but with a maniacal egotist at the helm, it is a bit of a worry. These idiots are usually got shut of by their own people. I wish they'd hurry up.

I hope we haven't gone and blocked the import of Polonium teabags with our sanctions, because it's about time Putin had a cuppa.  ::)
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