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[terry paget]

The 2000 PFL 2.5 CDX estate I have bought came with one serious declared fault - rear door windows do not work. I hopd it would be a fuse, not so. Vendor told me glass had become separated from mechanism, windows had fallen open, so Portuguese mechanic had spragged glasses up with wood to make car secure.
I am scrapping my 2.5 2000 CDX facelift saloon. Will the doors off that fit the PFL 2000 CDX estate? They are the wrong colour, and the trim strip is different, but a can of spray would correct that. Please advise.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Yes. they're exactly the same.... ish

As I understand it there is a fractional difference in the loom, and it may be there's a larger hole to accommodate this on the FL doors, however, if you're putting FL onto PFL this should post no problem. The connections on the loom I have read (but never seen for myself) are alleged to be a different plug, so not literally a case of 'plug n play' - you'd have to change over the loom as well, though with the door all to pieces I can't imagine this to be much a difficult job.

So basically yes 


I'm intending to do the same myself soon, fitting FL doors to my PFL.

[zirk]

As said, the actual metal door is the same, its the additional bits that are fixed on that will be different, also check the window tint colour.

[omegod]

I think one of the fixings that the back edge of the door card screws into is in a slightly different place but it can be moved

[Keith ABS]

Would just swapping out the window motors/window glass be a better option or have I read the origional fault wrong?

Keith b

[LC0112G]

No - they aren't the same. The major differences are

1) The hole for the wiring loom is much larger on the post facelift than on the pre facelift.

2) The check strap hole is different.

3) The fixing of the outside door trim is different - slots on the post facelift, holes on the pre facelift.

4) The biggie - the metal door hinge is subtly different. They look the same at first glance, but if you fit a pre facelift door on a post facelift hinge, the door only opens about half way before it won't open any further. You have to angle grind the end stop lip off the door IIRC. 

All the above can be sorted with the right tools, but given the choice, always try for the correct pre or post facelift rear door.

[LC0112G]

I am scrapping my 2.5 2000 CDX facelift saloon. Will the doors off that fit the PFL 2000 CDX estate?

Oh - and saloon and estate rear doors are completely different too.

[05omegav6]

I am scrapping my 2.5 2000 CDX facelift saloon. Will the doors off that fit the PFL 2000 CDX estate?

Oh - and saloon and estate rear doors are completely different too.

Glad someone spotted that

Windows gubbins should be interchangeable though as the plug to the motor is the same and mounting points are identical

[terry paget]

Thank you gentlemen. I shall not go down that route.
I do not understand what happened to the window mechanisms. Both rear door windows are disconnected from the winders, and propped up by wood struts. I can hear the winder motors whirring when I press the switch, so the fault is some sort of uncoupling. It has happened to both doors. I know nothing about door window winders. Can anyone explain what has happened, and suggest if it is repairable?

[Shackeng]

Presumably you have had to take the door cards off to prop up the windows. When my PFL window failed, the problem was obvious with the card off, and required a motor change, the motor still ran but the cable system was f@&%ed.

[05omegav6]

Presumably you have had to take the door cards off to prop up the windows. When my PFL window failed, the problem was obvious with the card off, and required a motor change, the motor still ran but the cable system was f@&%ed.

What Shackeng says... Three rivets to replace, but obvious with door card off

[terry paget]

Presumably you have had to take the door cards off to prop up the windows. When my PFL window failed, the problem was obvious with the card off, and required a motor change, the motor still ran but the cable system was f@&%ed.

I have not had the door cards off. I bought the car in this state. The Portuguese mechanic did several interesting bodges on this car, which my vendor bought in Portugal to get his family and caravan back to England in February. Other jobs he did were the unusual coil pack change and relocation, and a wishbone change with the vertical rear bolts inserted upwards.

[05omegav6]

That last one is a bodge and a half.and potentially dangerous... If the nut works loose, the the bolt is able to drop straight out with little or no warning. Not good.

[terry paget]

That last one is a bodge and a half.and potentially dangerous... If the nut works loose, the the bolt is able to drop straight out with little or no warning. Not good.

Point taken Al, though I have never known a wishbone nut work loose. I shall look out for it when under the car. My worry was how I should get it off next time, but I can always slacken it from above with long socket extensions.
On the window problem, I am puzzled why both windows should have failed in the same way.

[05omegav6]

Possibly been broken into twice, forcing the mech to breaking point