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[Gaffers]

 Being a car forum I would be I terested in your opinions on this.  Please though, remain factual and leave your feelings for cyclists out of it.

Who is at fault and why?

http://thecyclingbug.co.uk/bugfeed/videos/b/weblog/archive/2015/08/04/cyclist-vs-car.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook%20Post&utm_campaign=ad

[Sir Tigger KC]

Car driver definitely at fault as it was clearly too narrow to pass the cyclist safely. 

[Rods2]

It is the car drivers fault as you should only overtake a cyclist when it is safe to do so and you can leave an adequate amount of room, they clearly didn't do so.

Any sensible driver would accept the 10 second delay by waiting behind the cyclist until past the roadworks, but many car drivers are quite happy to risk injuring or worse to other road users to save the 10 seconds where they are in such a hurry to get home to do nothing!

[flyer 0712]

The cyclist was way passed the roadworks when the idiot in the parked car opened his car door thus causing the cyclist to pull to the right by at least 4 foot and then he lost control of his bike by going further over to the right by at least a bikes lenght..approx 6 feet......and crossed the path of the following black cab who had nowhere to go...Sorry me lord but the guy who opened his car door without looking behind first..is an irresponsible pratt and is guilty of the accident..because had he not done that in the first place the accident would never have happened......take him to the cells..

[05omegav6]

Car driver definitely at fault as it was clearly too narrow to pass the cyclist safely. 

At the point of contact...

The driver should not have passed, as directed by the sign. No arguments.

But... The cyclist was inviting the car to pass by virtue of his positioning. Also his manner of riding leaves alot to be desired, especially prior to the lights.

[omega2018]

But... his manner of riding leaves alot to be desired, especially prior to the lights.

yes i thought that with him pushing past inside the red car turning right.  but on reviewing that bit the red car was in a marked cyclelane! and the red car was a golf.

not shown by the cameras but I gathered that the cyclist had his arm out and that was what the silver car hit.  still sliver car in the wrong undoubtedly.  however that sign 'do not overtake bicycles' was not very big or noticebale, i missed it first time. 

[omega2018]

The cyclist was way passed the roadworks when the idiot in the parked car opened his car door thus causing the cyclist to pull to the right by at least 4 foot and then he lost control of his bike by going further over to the right by at least a bikes lenght..approx 6 feet......and crossed the path of the following black cab who had nowhere to go...Sorry me lord but the guy who opened his car door without looking behind first..is an irresponsible pratt and is guilty of the accident..because had he not done that in the first place the accident would never have happened......take him to the cells..

rigth judgement, wrong video, wrong thread

[korum]

to me it looks like they both arrived at the same space at the same time. the cyclist was a bit far out but not that far. the biggest problem i have with it all is who ever put the roadworks up should be shot as there was plenty of space to create a lane that was wide enough for a car and a bike to use at the same time. also that no overtaking sign is way to small.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Ha ha the funniest thing about that video is the stupid woman at the end!

"I'm not having my dogs victimised......" 

[Webby the Bear]

I THINK...

6 of 1 half a dozen of t'other

The driver for trying to overtake on a road too narrow. And the cyclist for pulling out and assuming the position in the middle (almost) of the road.

That's how I see it anyways.

As for the arguing later...... blahblahblah 

[plym ian]

The cyclist cause he should have 4 wheels and a motor

[Gaffers]

Interesting responses (the usual anti-cycling sh!te aside )

Here is my take that I posted on the original feed where somebody said that if he hadn't taken a swipe at the car he wouldn't have fallen:

He may have been or felt he was about to be off balance. I have been in situations like that and I had to use the vehicle to steadying myself. Inside it may seem like a hit whereas it might not have been. If I hit a car the people inside definitely feel it but that's normally because I am in a cycle lane and they are encroaching. Happens a lot on my commute.

But this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't tried to passive-aggressively intimidate the golf beforehand. It put him in the wrong place to take the correct position in order to be assertive enough on the following narrow stretch.

Poor cycling skills.

Dangerous driving.

His position was completely wrong, mostly due to trying to squeeze up the inside of the golf like a pillock.  I agree he should have been able to get in front of it to get in the right position heading off (and that the golf should not have been where it was) but he should have gone on the outside.  He then doesn't take primary position soon enough.  I cannot see if he is looking over his shoulder or not or if he is indicating (which is what I do when taking primary on narrow stretches) or just assuming following traffic is going to let him come over at the last safe moment.  Either way he is leaving himself little safety room.

[Gaffers]

....the cyclist for pulling out and assuming the position in the middle (almost) of the road.

http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html

 

[Lazydocker]

Car driver is ultimately at fault but the standard of riding demonstrated prior to the incident suggests the cyclist could also benefit from a road safety/awareness course

[Nick W]

Car driver is ultimately at fault but the standard of riding demonstrated prior to the incident suggests the cyclist could also benefit from a road safety/awareness course

I think that covers the whole incident pretty well.

Look at it this way: if it was a car being overtaken, then blaming anyone but the overtaker would be ridiculous.