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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #30 on: 25 August 2015, 17:52:09 »

If you can access it, get some big grips on it and gently rotate it to break the seal :y
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #31 on: 25 August 2015, 19:32:24 »

If you can access it, get some big grips on it and gently rotate it to break the seal :y
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That's just what I did.
Once on another really stuck hose I squirted a bit of WD40 on the end, left it a while, then grippers shifted it. For future ref
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #32 on: 25 August 2015, 21:11:51 »

Head is off! Thanks to all for help. Pics follow.
2 mishaps. I overlooked the bolt that holds the cam belt cover on at the top and also the front harness box. It screws into the head through the cam belt rear cover. I bent it when I tried to lift off the head, then broke it off when I tried to undo it
. As I removed the head I managed to cut the harness clip that holds the lambda sensor cable, but I failed to disconnect the connector to the temperature gauge sender, could not find it, thought it had pulled off. Now I see that the sender has a round end and the cable plug has a leaf gripping end. I am puzzled as the leaf is not in the plug, nor is there any sign of a leaf base on the sensor. Pics follow of these matters.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #33 on: 26 August 2015, 13:04:20 »

My problem is with that hose attached I cannot remove the head.

If it really wont move then, cut / break and replace later.
Thanks, excellent advice. I see now, with the head off, it goes to the heater bypass valve and would have been easy to replace. I thought it went to the cabin.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #34 on: 26 August 2015, 18:34:10 »

I bought this HG set http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-FRONTERA-B-OMEGA-2-2-16V-98-05 as it included new head bolts. I now discover neither of the EGR manifold gaskets included is correct, nor is the breather pipe gasket. I cannot see anything better on e-bay. Should I return the set and start again, or buy EGR manifold gasket from Vauxhall?
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #35 on: 26 August 2015, 19:07:10 »

Might be easier to get it from vx ,your not the only to have that problem,been a few on the frontera forum that have,when i did mine i didnt remove the egr . :y
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #36 on: 26 August 2015, 19:47:24 »

Might be easier to get it from vx ,your not the only to have that problem,been a few on the frontera forum that have,when i did mine i didnt remove the egr . :y
I wish I had not removed mine. I assumed I had a new gasket so it would not be a problem. I am inclined to buy the EGR gasket from Vx too, just to save time and hassle. I shall need other bits too.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #37 on: 26 August 2015, 23:26:02 »

My EGR gasket was wrong as well, got one from VX £3.99, i think, had to go to Oldham Citroen Pentagon,  ??? never figured out why.

Make sure they are sourcing the EGR manifold gasket and not the EGR gasket, had 2 wasted trips because of that  :(
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #38 on: 27 August 2015, 08:53:45 »

Might be easier to get it from vx ,your not the only to have that problem,been a few on the frontera forum that have,when i did mine i didnt remove the egr . :y
I wish I had not removed mine. I assumed I had a new gasket so it would not be a problem. I am inclined to buy the EGR gasket from Vx too, just to save time and hassle. I shall need other bits too.

I used the EGR gasket from my Elring kit, they had to remove and replace a few hundred miles later when it failed so stick VX  :y The Elring HG itself has been fine.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #39 on: 27 August 2015, 17:26:52 »

Or even get some high temp gasket paper and make your own :y
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #40 on: 27 August 2015, 18:00:56 »

Might be easier to get it from vx ,your not the only to have that problem,been a few on the frontera forum that have,when i did mine i didnt remove the egr . :y
I wish I had not removed mine. I assumed I had a new gasket so it would not be a problem. I am inclined to buy the EGR gasket from Vx too, just to save time and hassle. I shall need other bits too.

I used the EGR gasket from my Elring kit, they had to remove and replace a few hundred miles later when it failed so stick VX  :y The Elring HG itself has been fine.
I imagine that was fun to change with the head on the block.
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« Reply #41 on: 28 August 2015, 20:22:48 »

Yes, I used the swear box!
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #42 on: 09 September 2015, 16:42:53 »

All reassembled. Fitted cheap MAF sensor to replace faulty MAF, filled with coolant, replaced battery. Cranked 10 seconds with coil pack lead not connected. Connected coil pack lead. Engine started at idle, but wanted to stall; if caught it would rev cleanly, but hard to keep running. Unplugged MAF; no change. Fitted original dodgy MAF; no change. Fitted known good MAF; no change, engine would not catch and rev any more.
Checked codes: no codes stored on cheapo reader. Removed all plugs; all sooty, see pic. Any suggestions?
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #43 on: 09 September 2015, 17:48:59 »

that's running rich/misfiring.

Is yours leads or over the plug DIS pack?  If the former double check the numbering.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #44 on: 09 September 2015, 19:13:31 »

that's running rich/misfiring.

Is yours leads or over the plug DIS pack?  If the former double check the numbering.
DIS pack. It was running like this before I changed the head gasket. I blamed it on the faulty MAF sensor, probably incorrectly. When I put the plugs in after the HG change they were fine. If the MAF is faulty it should run OK with it unplugged; it does not.
I have a problem. Cam sensor? Crank sensor? Somethng else?
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