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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #45 on: 09 September 2015, 20:45:01 »

2.2 has a coil pack,,,,so no dis pack or leads.....on a previous 2.2 i had,,that started but would not tick over and when reved to keep it going it sounded just like a machine gun firing....turned out to be the 1st lambda sensor was faulty..changed that and all was well..
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #46 on: 09 September 2015, 21:46:34 »

2.2 has a coil pack,,,,so no dis pack or leads.....on a previous 2.2 i had,,that started but would not tick over and when reved to keep it going it sounded just like a machine gun firing....turned out to be the 1st lambda sensor was faulty..changed that and all was well..
Thank you flyer. That had not occurred to me. Will investigate.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #47 on: 10 September 2015, 07:22:58 »

Sure it's not the coil pack itself?
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #48 on: 10 September 2015, 09:01:48 »

Sure it's not the coil pack itself?
No! Good thinking M. Guffer. I will check that first. Son Ben will be here soon with his 2.2, and I will swop them.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #49 on: 10 September 2015, 09:26:02 »

Sure it's not the coil pack itself?
No! Good thinking M. Guffer. I will check that first. Son Ben will be here soon with his 2.2, and I will swop them.

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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #50 on: 12 September 2015, 17:26:35 »

Son not been here yet, so this mornring I swopped the 1st lamda sensor. No change.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #51 on: 12 September 2015, 21:03:40 »

Got it! It was not lambda sensor, it was not plug stick; it was  the vacuum pipe not replaced in the inlet manifold. I spotted it, replaced it, tested it, and it ran perfectly.  Tappets soon settled down, and it ran like a sewing machine. I ran it for an hour, no water loss. Job done.

Thanks to SIR Philbutt for his excellent guide, and to all members for advice.

In the 1960s I had the head off my Mini every Christmas to regrind the valves and decarbonise it.  That was easy. 55 years later, with overhead camshafts, cam belts, emission devices all over the shop, things are trickier. What makes it all possible is this excellent forum, with support and advice.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #52 on: 13 September 2015, 15:29:42 »

Glad you fixed it matey.....yep way back in the old days ..motors we so much easier to suss out....they had to be realy because they were always breaking down..lol.... :y
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #53 on: 13 September 2015, 20:00:32 »

Got it! It was not lambda sensor, it was not plug stick; it was  the vacuum pipe not replaced in the inlet manifold. I spotted it, replaced it, tested it, and it ran perfectly.  Tappets soon settled down, and it ran like a sewing machine. I ran it for an hour, no water loss. Job done.

Thanks to SIR Philbutt for his excellent guide, and to all members for advice.

In the 1960s I had the head off my Mini every Christmas to regrind the valves and decarbonise it.  That was easy. 55 years later, with overhead camshafts, cam belts, emission devices all over the shop, things are trickier. What makes it all possible is this excellent forum, with support and advice.

Your Welcome 8) :y

I did the same 30yrs ago with my escort, which had a 2ltr OHC engine, it gave me the confidence to do mine, and yes it was that long between HG jobs  :o
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #54 on: 13 September 2015, 21:17:29 »

At least nowadays we angle tighten our head bolts once and don't have to tighten them again after 500 miles; and the tappets helpfully adjust themselves.
I found the angle tightening rather alarming (3 times 90 degrees, then 15 degrees), it got harder to turn each time and on the final 15 degrees there was a loud bang; I thought I had broken off a head bolt, but I had not; the 3/8" extension had snapped. I finished the job with 1/2" tools.
Was that the Escort twin cam? I used to rally in a twin cam, they seemed so exotic then, now most cars seems to have overhead camshafts!.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #55 on: 16 September 2015, 17:50:06 »

At least nowadays we angle tighten our head bolts once and don't have to tighten them again after 500 miles; and the tappets helpfully adjust themselves.
I found the angle tightening rather alarming (3 times 90 degrees, then 15 degrees), it got harder to turn each time and on the final 15 degrees there was a loud bang; I thought I had broken off a head bolt, but I had not; the 3/8" extension had snapped. I finished the job with 1/2" tools.
Was that the Escort twin cam? I used to rally in a twin cam, they seemed so exotic then, now most cars seems to have overhead camshafts!.

Not a twin cam, engine out of a 2000E cortina transposed into a MK1 1300 sport. Modded up all round but looked standard. Capri killer most of the time  8).
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #56 on: 17 September 2015, 20:55:55 »

Was that an Escort with SOHC, with cam belt running direct from crank pulley to cam pulley, without a cover, looking delightfully simple? And, I suppose, without any extra pulleys to seize up, it never went wrong. I had a similar arrangement on my Peugeot 505GTI. That belt was tensioned via the alternator, which it also drove. The Carton 4 cylinder 18v also had one overhead camshaft, and parallel valves, so came to no harm when the cam belt broke.
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« Reply #57 on: 17 September 2015, 22:40:46 »

Was that an Escort with SOHC, with cam belt running direct from crank pulley to cam pulley, without a cover, looking delightfully simple? And, I suppose, without any extra pulleys to seize up, it never went wrong. I had a similar arrangement on my Peugeot 505GTI. That belt was tensioned via the alternator, which it also drove. The Carton 4 cylinder 18v also had one overhead camshaft, and parallel valves, so came to no harm when the cam belt broke.
Correction, Carlton 8 valve. Malcolm Kear had his cam belt fail in a traffic hold up on the outer lane of the M25. He managed to crawl across to the hard shoulder on the starter before calling the AA. He was conveyed to Bellinger Vauxhall Grove who simply changed the cam belt and sent him on his way.
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #58 on: 17 September 2015, 23:48:53 »

Was that an Escort with SOHC, with cam belt running direct from crank pulley to cam pulley, without a cover, looking delightfully simple? And, I suppose, without any extra pulleys to seize up, it never went wrong. I had a similar arrangement on my Peugeot 505GTI. That belt was tensioned via the alternator, which it also drove. The Carton 4 cylinder 18v also had one overhead camshaft, and parallel valves, so came to no harm when the cam belt broke.

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£50 for a suitable cross member with extended engine mounts and slotted straight in as bell housing on gearbox matched. Only had to add different coolant pipes and a custom bracket to hold the original dynamo in the right place. Oh and a custom exhaust.

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Correction, Carlton 8 valve. Malcolm Kear had his cam belt fail in a traffic hold up on the outer lane of the M25. He managed to crawl across to the hard shoulder on the starter before calling the AA. He was conveyed to Bellinger Vauxhall Grove who simply changed the cam belt and sent him on his way.

Had a similar problem, fan belt failed whilst travelling through France, pulled off the Dynamo and broke the bracket at about 70mph. Dynamo went under car and tumbled down the road. Recovered it and drove to next garage. They found a matching belt and I found two big washers + lock washer in tool box. Bolted it up, refitted dynamo and belt and it still worked. Was still like that when I sold her a year later  8).

Ah the good old days of simple cars, even when modded  :'(
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Re: HG change on a 2.2
« Reply #59 on: 19 September 2015, 21:20:27 »

All is not quite right. HG is fine, run for an hour, no water loss. However, it does not always start easily, when started it idles OK, and if throttle is opened slowly revs rise normally. Hopwever, if I floor the throttle it hesitates before revving. I have tried unplugging the MAF, and nothing changes. Nor does the EML come on.
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