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[aaronjb]

Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.

Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy.

[Bigron]

I am not even going to honour this with a meaningful response.
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MG, what have I said to upset you? I thought that my views might not be those of the majority, but reading other posts, it seems they are. Consider safety: cyclists claim to be concerned about safety and take steps to ensure their own (helmets, flashing lights on bums, etc.) but show little concern for the safety of others, especially when riding on the pavement and endangering children and other vulnerable groups.
If, by their risky and ipatient actions they place themselves in hazardous situations, whom do you think is to blame?
I also agree that motorists are no angels (except OOFers, of course!) and do contravene road traffic laws, but we don't often drive recklessly on pavements and are subject to fines, points on licences and driving bans.....

Ron.

[YZ250]

Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.

Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy.

Well put.    It really is that simple. 

[Gaffers]

Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.

Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy.

Well put.    It really is that simple. 

Agrred

It's funny though because many motorists don't understand this either, probably because the consequences for getting it wrong vary hugely whether you are on a push-bike or in a car. 

[Lazydocker]

Sorry... But there should be a greater emphasis placed on the cyclist in London. I will bet my house that next time I drive into London (2.5 weeks time if not before) there will be at least one cyclist jump a red light and at least one come up the inside when I am indicating to turn left

Some very good ideas, in principle, but mostly another bout of Lorry Driver Bashing

Perhaps Boris should go out in a lorry for a day and see what it's really like trying to watch for stupid car drivers, box junctions, lights, suicidal pedestrians and lunatic, law flouting cyclists

Oh FFS. Every day I see car/lorry drivers using a mobile, texting, jumping a red light, tailgating, engaging in road rage, applying make up, fiddling with hair, smoking, drinking, eating sarnies, peeing in a bottle etc etc etc. I could go on. The only ones who die are the cyclists who get run over by said car/truck drivers. Get some perspective. 

Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Why do they ride in the middle of the road? Because the road surface is so poor that they choose to ride a bit more into the middle of the road and avoid deathtrap drains and potholes that could potentially kill them.
Why do they set off a second before the light turns green. So that the idiot in the car behind doesnt try to kill them with their reckless driving.

Oh no. Blame the poor cyclist who chooses to make your journey slightly easier by reducing congestion, make the air your children breath better by reducing emissions. Yup target the weaker road user. That makes sense.

Seriously fed up with cycle bashing folk who have never been on a push bike in traffic.

As usual, certain people can't help but think this thread is about cycle bashing. It's not... It's about a stupid proposal. There are drivers of all vehicles flouting the law and I agree that cyclists are vulnerable. Because of this they should be more defensive. I'm not talking about setting off a few seconds early, I refer to the retards who blatantly ignore red lights.

Should have actually read what I posted

Oh... And for the record - I have cycled in heavy traffic. I also rode a motorcycle and drove HGVs in heavy traffic too. Additionally I've cleared up the mess left behind after accidents caused by all parties. But, of course, I was just bashing the cyclist

[Lazydocker]

Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.

Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy.

Well put.    It really is that simple. 

Agrred

It's funny though because many motorists don't understand this either, probably because the consequences for getting it wrong vary hugely whether you are on a push-bike or in a car.

Yep. Road users in general do not seem to grasp the principle of "defensive position". And I include moronic pedestrians in that too!

[Gaffers]

I didn't read LD's post as anti-cyclist or cyclist bashing.  It probably helps that I know him and that I know that we share the same opinion on many topics   yet even if I didn't I cannot see a cyclist-bashing element to his comment

But when I read comments to the effect of cyclists being free-loading hooligans who are stealing road space from motorists I wonder whether people actually read what I post or if they just cherry pick the bad apples to justify an attitude which does nothing to improve the understanding between different road users.

[aaronjb]

Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.

Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy.

Well put.    It really is that simple. 

Agrred

It's funny though because many motorists don't understand this either, probably because the consequences for getting it wrong vary hugely whether you are on a push-bike or in a car.

Indeed, I've seen (far too) many cars where a truck has effectively driven over their offside .. or even the near side as they try to squeeze up the inside of an artic going over a small roundabout.

Now I've never driven an artic or even anything longer than a LWB panel van, but I have a basic grasp of physics and I can figure out what 30' of trailer is likely to do dragged behind the tractor unit!

[Lazydocker]

Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.

Just because you can does not mean you should. Lorry waiting to turn left? Don't cycle up the inside, don't walk up the inside, don't ride your motorbike up the inside - just like you wouldn't try and squeeze a car past when the lorry swings out wide. That way you don't get squished. Easy.

Well put.    It really is that simple. 

Agrred

It's funny though because many motorists don't understand this either, probably because the consequences for getting it wrong vary hugely whether you are on a push-bike or in a car.

Indeed, I've seen (far too) many cars where a truck has effectively driven over their offside .. or even the near side as they try to squeeze up the inside of an artic going over a small roundabout.

Now I've never driven an artic or even anything longer than a LWB panel van, but I have a basic grasp of physics and I can figure out what 30' of trailer is likely to do dragged behind the tractor unit!

And 44', as some now are, is even worse

[aaronjb]

I knew I'd get caught out on factual accuracy if I put a length in.. 

[05omegav6]

I knew I'd get caught out on factual accuracy if I put a length in.. 

That sounds like an euphemism

[Rods2]

Anybody who goes up the inside of an HGV on a push or motorbike IMO is not driving defensively, which as a vulnerable road user you must do as it is you that is going to get hurt.

The other side of the coin is that there are plenty of careless motor vehicle drivers who have an arrogant disregard for other road users safety, where it will only be scratches on their lump of tin as they wipe out a cyclist while drunk/texting/phoning/setting up sat nav/changing music/talking to passengers/putting on makeup/ etc etc, with an arrogant disregard for others road users safety. Sorry, mate I didn't see you, to the crumpled mess in the road, is no consolation for their life changing injuries and the devastated friends and families.

Do I agree with this no left turn nonsense, no.

Bad drivers are bad drivers regardless of the vehicle they use and we all see plenty of examples from all road users.

[ronnyd]

A few years ago i was waiting at traffic lights when an artic pulled up alongside me. I thought "f**k this, i,m out of here". Thats defensive driving/riding i think. I just dismounted from the bike and walked around the corner.

[Bigron]

At least you didn't ride on the pavement to turn the corner, "ronnyd", for which I applaud you. Sensible tactic, too.......

Ron.

[D]

Sorry... But there should be a greater emphasis placed on the cyclist in London. I will bet my house that next time I drive into London (2.5 weeks time if not before) there will be at least one cyclist jump a red light and at least one come up the inside when I am indicating to turn left

Some very good ideas, in principle, but mostly another bout of Lorry Driver Bashing

Perhaps Boris should go out in a lorry for a day and see what it's really like trying to watch for stupid car drivers, box junctions, lights, suicidal pedestrians and lunatic, law flouting cyclists

Oh FFS. Every day I see car/lorry drivers using a mobile, texting, jumping a red light, tailgating, engaging in road rage, applying make up, fiddling with hair, smoking, drinking, eating sarnies, peeing in a bottle etc etc etc. I could go on. The only ones who die are the cyclists who get run over by said car/truck drivers. Get some perspective. 

Why do cyclists drive up the inside? Because the frigging cycle lane is painted on the flipping left of the road. Thats why. Because the moronic road designers have no clue.
Why do they ride in the middle of the road? Because the road surface is so poor that they choose to ride a bit more into the middle of the road and avoid deathtrap drains and potholes that could potentially kill them.
Why do they set off a second before the light turns green. So that the idiot in the car behind doesnt try to kill them with their reckless driving.

Oh no. Blame the poor cyclist who chooses to make your journey slightly easier by reducing congestion, make the air your children breath better by reducing emissions. Yup target the weaker road user. That makes sense.

Seriously fed up with cycle bashing folk who have never been on a push bike in traffic.

As usual, certain people can't help but think this thread is about cycle bashing. It's not... It's about a stupid proposal. There are drivers of all vehicles flouting the law and I agree that cyclists are vulnerable. Because of this they should be more defensive. I'm not talking about setting off a few seconds early, I refer to the retards who blatantly ignore red lights.

Should have actually read what I posted

Oh... And for the record - I have cycled in heavy traffic. I also rode a motorcycle and drove HGVs in heavy traffic too. Additionally I've cleared up the mess left behind after accidents caused by all parties. But, of course, I was just bashing the cyclist

Sorry, I seem to have quoted your post. Intention was simply to reply to comments on thread, not direct the response at you per se.