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BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« on: 26 October 2015, 12:54:11 »

This question relates to my 2000 registered BMW E39 530d, which is a commonrail 2.9 litre Turbo Diesel Straight 6 lump + Slushbox, which I've had for just under a month. 156,000 Miles.

For the first two weeks of ownership I drove around really carefully, only using about half of the throttle travel, and didn't notice any problem - a little amount of throttle returns good torque/pull.

In the last week however I have done some longer runs, and gone for a couple of overtakes etc - and having opened her up fully, I have encountered a problem.

The best way I can describe it, is that, driving along at say 50mph, you want to go for an overtake. You put your foot into the carpet. It kicks down, but then really refuses to pull at all, after just over 3,000 rpm. Take your foot off, to say half throttle, and it pulls much better than at full throttle.

Having experimented on a variety of roads, when there is a demand on the engine, it is struggling to get over 3,000 to 3,500 rpm. One one occasion, it blew off an intercooler pipe whilst struggling at 3,000 rpm, which made me suspect a turbo issue of some sort!

I read the initial codes (Its not ODB compliant, I've had to use the round connector under the bonnet) and found the following. (The MAF Code is likely to be me, I unplugged it to see if it would make a difference, which it didn't).
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #1 on: 26 October 2015, 12:55:04 »

           E R R O R   M E M O R Y   R E P O R T
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Date:      10/26/15 08:55:13 ECU:       DDE40KW0 JobStatus: OKAY Variant:   DDE40KW0
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RESULT:    4 errors in error memory !
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13573 glow device         
Error frequency : 255 Logistic counter: 40
   Error occured 1. times at:
   Engine speed                               849.15  1/min   Coolant temperature                         28.61  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              10.24  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                          379.52  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   229360.00  km
   Error occured 2. times at:
   Engine speed                               849.15  1/min   Coolant temperature                         14.95  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              12.29  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                          379.52  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251280.00  km
   Error occured 3. times at:
   Engine speed                               849.15  1/min   Coolant temperature                         14.95  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              12.29  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                          379.52  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251280.00  km
   Error present   Sporadic error   Glow system - Glow-plug or Glow-plug relay
Errorcode: 35 05 28 FF FC 80 22 66 14 3F 59 98 80 22 52 18           3F 62 28 80 22 52 18 3F 62
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5232  boost pressure control
Error frequency : 16 Logistic counter: 12
   Error occured 1. times at:
   Engine speed                              3096.90  1/min   Coolant temperature                         89.37  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              37.38  mm^3   Boost pressure                            2480.00  mbar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   233410.00  km
   Error occured 2. times at:
   Engine speed                              3896.10  1/min   Coolant temperature                         81.86  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              50.69  mm^3   Boost pressure                            2480.00  mbar
   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251100.00  km
   Error occured 3. times at:
   Engine speed                              3896.10  1/min   Coolant temperature                         81.86  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              50.69  mm^3   Boost pressure                            2480.00  mbar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251100.00  km
   Error not present   Sporadic error   neg. deviation / Boost pressure to big
Errorcode: 14 70 0C 10 F8 20 7C BF 49 9B 5B 2D 20 9C B4 63           9B 62 16 20 9C B4 63 9B 62
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7728  Charge-air pressure control or charge-air pressure actuator
Error frequency : 2 Logistic counter: 12
   Error occured 1. times at:
   Engine speed                              1648.35  1/min   Coolant temperature                         83.22  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              27.65  mm^3   Boost pressure                             992.00  mbar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   241990.00  km
   Error occured 2. times at:
   Engine speed                              3471.53  1/min   Coolant temperature                         94.15  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              13.82  mm^3   Boost pressure                             960.00  mbar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251120.00  km
   Error not present   Sporadic error   Missing charge-air pressure tube
Errorcode: 1E 30 0C 02 F8 40 42 B6 36 3E 5E 87 40 8B C6 1B           3C 62 18 00 00 00 00 00 00
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256   air mass meter
Error frequency : 2 Logistic counter: 40
   Error occured 1. times at:
   Engine speed                               849.15  1/min   Coolant temperature                         11.54  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              10.75  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                          373.49  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   241990.00  km
   Error occured 2. times at:
   Engine speed                                 0.00  1/min   Coolant temperature                         67.52  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              25.09  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                           18.07  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   250670.00  km
   Error present   Sporadic error   Signal open circuit or short circuit to B-   air mass flow to low
Errorcode: 01 00 28 02 FC 80 22 4D 15 3E 5E 87 10 00 9F 31           03 61 EB 00 00 00 00 00 00
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #2 on: 26 October 2015, 12:55:28 »

Having cleared the codes, I went for another drive.

When warm, I booted it at 40mph. The engine got just over 3,000 rpm, and died almost instantly, with "FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM" flashing on the computer.
It then refused to start at all, until the codes were cleared.

Between clearing the codes this morning, and it dying, the following codes were logged:
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #3 on: 26 October 2015, 12:56:01 »

E R R O R   M E M O R Y   R E P O R T
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Date:      10/26/15 11:14:38 ECU:       DDE40KW0 JobStatus: OKAY Variant:   DDE40KW0
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RESULT:    4 errors in error memory !
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13573 glow device         
Error frequency : 1 Logistic counter: 40
   Engine speed                               849.15  1/min   Coolant temperature                          9.49  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              15.36  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                          379.52  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251490.00  km
   Error present   Glow system - Glow-plug or Glow-plug relay
Errorcode: 35 05 28 01 74 80 22 4A 1E 3F 62 3D 00 00 00 00           00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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4496  Rail-pressure plausibility
Error frequency : 2 Logistic counter: 39
   Error occured 1. times at:
   Engine speed                              3121.88  1/min   fuel pre-supply pressure                     2.45  bar   Einspritzmenge                              54.28  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                          542.17  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251490.00  km
   Error occured 2. times at:
   Engine speed                              3121.88  1/min   fuel pre-supply pressure                     2.22  bar   Einspritzmenge                              15.36  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                          132.53  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251490.00  km
   Error present   Sporadic error   leakage   Control deviation over engine speed too great
Errorcode: 11 90 27 02 7C 20 7D 99 6A 5A 62 3D 30 7D 8B 1E           16 62 3D 00 00 00 00 00 00
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2550  Rail pressure control at start
Error frequency : 9 Logistic counter: 39
   Error occured 1. times at:
   Engine speed                               249.75  1/min
   fuel pre-supply pressure                     1.23  bar   Einspritzmenge                              24.58  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                           18.07  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251490.00  km
   Error occured 2. times at:
   Engine speed                               199.80  1/min   fuel pre-supply pressure                     1.22  bar   Einspritzmenge                              24.58  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                           18.07  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251490.00  km
   Error occured 3. times at:
   Engine speed                               174.83  1/min   fuel pre-supply pressure                     1.95  bar   Einspritzmenge                              25.60  mm^3   RPC rail pressure                            0.00  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251490.00  km
   Error not present   Sporadic error   Rail-pressure build up
Errorcode: 09 F6 27 09 78 10 0A 4D 30 03 62 3D 10 08 4C 30           03 62 3D 10 07 7A 32 00 62
-------------------------------------------------------------
4704  Pre-supply pressure monitoring
Error frequency : 1 Logistic counter: 40
   Engine speed                               224.78  1/min   Air-temperature                             17.00  Grad C   Einspritzmenge                              24.58  mm^3   fuel pre-supply pressure                     1.31  bar   Fehler aufgetreten bei                   251490.00  km
   Error present   Pre-supply press.below min.value for eng.start
Errorcode: 12 60 28 01 74 04 09 55 30 52 62 3D 00 00 00 00           00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #4 on: 26 October 2015, 12:56:40 »

I am thinking that maybe, the issue with this car, is one of the lift pumps failing? I think it's a common issue reading the interweb. There is one pump under the passenger floor area, and one in the tank. Apparently the one under the seat is quite a common failure, causing loss of performance etc.


I'd be grateful for any thoughts! :y
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #5 on: 26 October 2015, 16:40:56 »

I maybe wrong but did these not have a proplem with swirl flaps that affected performance  :-\
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #6 on: 26 October 2015, 16:45:58 »

Not to my knowledge. There was an issue with flaps being sucked into the engine causing valve damage but not Performance issues.. And certainly not fuel system codes :y
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #7 on: 26 October 2015, 20:29:08 »

just replace inline fuel pump and fuel filter, would say do injector leak off test 


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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #8 on: 26 October 2015, 21:21:44 »

if memory serves, top gear had this problem on thier 530d endurance racer, ? was a tiny little part but buried right at the rear of the engine? something to do with fuel delivery and caused by using the wrong fuel? may be worth a look?
my mate 530d manual has now done 250k and never missed a beat, pulls like a steam train,very impressive motor

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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #9 on: 26 October 2015, 21:33:54 »

if memory serves, top gear had this problem on thier 530d endurance racer, ? was a tiny little part but buried right at the rear of the engine? something to do with fuel delivery and caused by using the wrong fuel? may be worth a look?
my mate 530d manual has now done 250k and never missed a beat, pulls like a steam train,very impressive motor

Their 330d suffered a blown turbo.  It was re-built but still wasn't running right, so they placed the injector rail (and injectors without the correct tool).  IIRC, they just unbolted the rail and turned the engine over until it literally blew the injectors out of their holes, leaving 6 nice dents in the bonnet!  ;D
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #10 on: 27 October 2015, 08:39:32 »

Sounds like the same problem my mates rangerover had,was the previously mentioned pump.
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #11 on: 27 October 2015, 16:20:23 »

It could just be a clogged fuel filter I'd start there.

I think the wiring to the fuel pressure sensor can also get chaffed causing an issue like this.
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #12 on: 27 October 2015, 17:34:40 »

First place to start when a diesel has performance issues is filters, and fuel lines, as a new problem being experienced with diesel's is bio-fuels growing sludge and blocking fuel line's.
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #13 on: 27 October 2015, 18:29:03 »

Diesel 'bug' is only an issue if you leave the car stood for long periods of time with less than a brimmed tank, or repeatedly use dubious fuel :y
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Re: BMW E39 530d Fuel / Performance problem
« Reply #14 on: 27 October 2015, 20:34:29 »

Diesel 'bug' is only an issue if you leave the car stood for long periods of time with less than a brimmed tank, or repeatedly use dubious fuel :y

It is becoming a common issue, with bio-diesel, fuel company's are very reluctant to publishes anything about it, dubious fuel is bleached, the bleach or acid that is used to remove the dye, kills the bacteria, is a common power loss on Volvo and scarnia's.
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