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[tigers_gonads]

TG, I wasn't suggesting that the Russians actually shot the plane down... Merely that the aftermath would be a convenient excuse to inadvertently drop a cruise missile on the Israelis...

I know 
Just pishing on the manpad theory that ISIS and other factions use 

As for our red sea pedestrian friends, Putin is not stupid and would never drag them into any conflict.

That's open for debate...

Action - Reaction

He does something
The west reacts

Putin has the pacifist west by the balls and will manipulate the western politicians in whatever way he wishes.
He answers to nobody because anybody who gets in his way ends up in the gulag on a tax evasion charge.
Western politicians are voted in every 5 years or so.
To keep themselves in power, they have to appease the public or they are off the gravy train and another lot jump on 
The general population of the western world are now soft pacifists who just haven't got the balls to fight anymore.

Love or hate Putin, you have to admire him   

[Migalot]

Probably rear bulkhead failure, IMO.

The aircraft had suffered a previous hard tailstrike in October 2002 when owned by MEA (Middle East Airlines). This caused serious damage, so the repair must have been major. 

[Kevin Wood]

Pilot radioed shortly after takeoff and asked for permission to land at Cairo airport......apparently. Sorry to spoil the fun. 

But why though?  Needed a piss perhaps?

Yep, and didn't trust his ex-Lufthansa co-pilot. 

[05omegav6]

Probably rear bulkhead failure, IMO.

The aircraft had suffered a previous hard tailstrike in October 2002 when owned by MEA (Middle East Airlines). This caused serious damage, so the repair must have been major.

Any such repairs and monitoring thereof would feature in the annual checks... Especially since that JAL 747 crash thirty odd years ago

[Migalot]

Probably rear bulkhead failure, IMO.

The aircraft had suffered a previous hard tailstrike in October 2002 when owned by MEA (Middle East Airlines). This caused serious damage, so the repair must have been major.

Any such repairs and monitoring thereof would feature in the annual checks... Especially since that JAL 747 crash thirty odd years ago

Hmm. Not so sure they would necessarily feature. Metal fatigue is not always so easy to spot and, in 2002, a China Airlines 747 suffered a bulkhead failure due to a botched repair of an earlier tailstrike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611
 

[05omegav6]

Was thinking of this one...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123

[Sir Tigger KC]

The airline is now saying that it was "external activity" that downed the plane. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34697416

[henryd]

Probably rear bulkhead failure, IMO.

The aircraft had suffered a previous hard tailstrike in October 2002 when owned by MEA (Middle East Airlines). This caused serious damage, so the repair must have been major.

Yep,saw that and it took 3 months to repair damage caused so quite extensive

[05omegav6]

Well, that's the Egyptian resorts closed again...

[Varche]

Won't be long before people are frit to holiday in a Muslim country or perhaps even one with a Muslim minority. I might revert to driving between Spain and the UK.

Also how long before planes are security checked by agencies I.e. not there own staff? That will add to delays.

Magnetic bomb attached externally in perhaps an inspection hatch?

[05omegav6]

Won't be long before people are frit to holiday in a Muslim country or perhaps even one with a Muslim minority. I might revert to driving between Spain and the UK.

Also how long before planes are security checked by agencies I.e. not there own staff? That will add to delays.

Magnetic bomb attached externally in perhaps an inspection hatch?

That would work well on aluminium composite

[05omegav6]

Probably nothing more complicated than a phone slipped into a checked bag with a detonator wired to the vibrate motor... certainly nothing bigger than a laptop bag...

Crew are ultimately responsible for searching the cabin, regardless of third party contractors. We used to secure clean Continental and El Al. Afterwards ICTS* would then re search the aircraft before the crew did the same. Ok in the case of El Al the security contractor was Mossad, but you get the gist...

Luggage is screened between check in and loading. Basically, it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for extra 'luggage' to have been loaded

[Broomies Mate]

Won't be long before people are frit to holiday in a Muslim country or perhaps even one with a Muslim minority. I might revert to driving between Spain and the UK.

Also how long before planes are security checked by agencies I.e. not there own staff? That will add to delays.

Magnetic bomb attached externally in perhaps an inspection hatch?

That would work well on aluminium composite

  That made me chuckle.  My Missus just looked at your reply and said "Why is Aluminium Composite funny".  Silly cow.

Anyway, [pedant] Varch did say 'inside' the inspection hatch.  Plenty of steel hinge points and latching mechanisms to attach it to. [/pedant] 

[05omegav6]

Won't be long before people are frit to holiday in a Muslim country or perhaps even one with a Muslim minority. I might revert to driving between Spain and the UK.

Also how long before planes are security checked by agencies I.e. not there own staff? That will add to delays.

Magnetic bomb attached externally in perhaps an inspection hatch?

That would work well on aluminium composite

  That made me chuckle.  My Missus just looked at your reply and said "Why is Aluminium Composite funny".  Silly cow.

Anyway, [pedant] Varch did say 'inside' the inspection hatch.  Plenty of steel hinge points and latching mechanisms to attach it to. [/pedant] 

Doubt it... anyways, on an aicraft that size you don't need to be particularly fussy where you place summat as the bags are almost certainly loose loaded.

All assuming it wasn't shot down

[Rods2]

They are also suggesting that it might have been an uncontained engine failure. There are crew moans that Metrojet had not paid their wages for a couple of month (nothing unusual about this in Russia or Ukraine!) and aircraft servicing was behind schedule.