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[Kevin Wood]

The bit that killed it was "the installation was stopped a quarter of the way through". I guess that means "it wouldn't take any notice of us pressing buttons so we switched the bastard off". 

Quite why Microshaft decided that was a good idea I'll never know. They need to remember whose PC it is.

[TheBoy]

The manufacturer should have a full recovery procedure, be that separate disks or a recovery partition.

Win10 doesn't (yet) automatically install, you have to interactively agree and accept it (for now).

Apparently (I haven't seen it myself) automatic updates installs a bit of software that keeps nagging you to "reserve my copy of Windows  10". If you accept but later change your mind you get stuck in the endless loop.

I keep a windows 7 partition on my laptop purely to allow me to run VCDS/VAGcom - I really don't want it to attempt to morph into windows 10 next time I try to boot it to I can diagnose the Golf or the Galaxy.

I downloaded and ran GWX control panel from http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ which disable the windows 10 installer. It claims to be able to roll back win 7 and 8 if you make the mistake of agreeing "reserve my copy of windows 10". If you are already in the endless loop I assume you would need to download it using a working PC and then run it on the offending PC in safe mode 

Come early next year, it will very likely be enforced. So get used to it.

[TheBoy]

The bit that killed it was "the installation was stopped a quarter of the way through". I guess that means "it wouldn't take any notice of us pressing buttons so we switched the bastard off". 

Whilst saying on the screen 'Do Not Turn Your PC Off' under normal Windows rules would normally say something like 'Are you sure you want to do this' but with the Power Button held down kind of becomes irrelevant.

Its a fairly good assumption that switching off a machine after its started an OS upgrade is going to result in a non booting system, be that Linux, Windows, Solaris, OSX, Android, iOS, even MS-DOS.

Hence my previous comments about recovery via DVD or recovery partition.

Sadly, I see this all too frequently in a professional capacity, done by sysadmins who should know better 

[zirk]

The bit that killed it was "the installation was stopped a quarter of the way through". I guess that means "it wouldn't take any notice of us pressing buttons so we switched the bastard off". 

Whilst saying on the screen 'Do Not Turn Your PC Off' under normal Windows rules would normally say something like 'Are you sure you want to do this' but with the Power Button held down kind of becomes irrelevant.

Its a fairly good assumption that switching off a machine after its started an OS upgrade is going to result in a non booting system, be that Linux, Windows, Solaris, OSX, Android, iOS, even MS-DOS.

Hence my previous comments about recovery via DVD or recovery partition.

Sadly, I see this all too frequently in a professional capacity, done by sysadmins who should know better 

But its all 'plug and play' these days TB, any youngster walking about with a screen in front of the will tell you that. 

[TheBoy]

The bit that killed it was "the installation was stopped a quarter of the way through". I guess that means "it wouldn't take any notice of us pressing buttons so we switched the bastard off". 

Whilst saying on the screen 'Do Not Turn Your PC Off' under normal Windows rules would normally say something like 'Are you sure you want to do this' but with the Power Button held down kind of becomes irrelevant.

Its a fairly good assumption that switching off a machine after its started an OS upgrade is going to result in a non booting system, be that Linux, Windows, Solaris, OSX, Android, iOS, even MS-DOS.

Hence my previous comments about recovery via DVD or recovery partition.

Sadly, I see this all too frequently in a professional capacity, done by sysadmins who should know better 

But its all 'plug and play' these days TB, any youngster walking about with a screen in front of the will tell you that. 

The kids are right.  But it don't play if you unplug at the wrong time.

[Andy H]

The manufacturer should have a full recovery procedure, be that separate disks or a recovery partition.

Win10 doesn't (yet) automatically install, you have to interactively agree and accept it (for now).

Apparently (I haven't seen it myself) automatic updates installs a bit of software that keeps nagging you to "reserve my copy of Windows  10". If you accept but later change your mind you get stuck in the endless loop.

I keep a windows 7 partition on my laptop purely to allow me to run VCDS/VAGcom - I really don't want it to attempt to morph into windows 10 next time I try to boot it to I can diagnose the Golf or the Galaxy.

I downloaded and ran GWX control panel from http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ which disable the windows 10 installer. It claims to be able to roll back win 7 and 8 if you make the mistake of agreeing "reserve my copy of windows 10". If you are already in the endless loop I assume you would need to download it using a working PC and then run it on the offending PC in safe mode 

Come early next year, it will very likely be enforced. So get used to it.

Hmmm
VAGcom/VCDS is the only reason I ever fire up the windows partition. When the VWs are behaving themselves it can be months before I have to wake it up and undergo the ordeal of another round of updates and reboots. If those updates involve a day long download/install/reboot sequence for windows 10 then it (MS windows) really will be of less use to me than a used prophylactic smeared in canine faeces.

I will have to save an image of the windows partition (while it is still working) and then try to disable networking to preserve the status quo.

[STEMO]

My five/six year old PC is too old for WIN 10, but I haven't turned it on for about a month now. Don't really need it.

[TheBoy]

My five/six year old PC is too old for WIN 10, but I haven't turned it on for about a month now. Don't really need it.

My 8yr old one runs W10 fine. Actually, I think better than it ran Win7 - though as I rebuilt from scratch, it probably lacks the accumulation of crap that had built up previously.

[TheBoy]

My five/six year old PC is too old for WIN 10, but I haven't turned it on for about a month now. Don't really need it.

My 8yr old one runs W10 fine. Actually, I think better than it ran Win7 - though as I rebuilt from scratch, it probably lacks the accumulation of crap that had built up previously.

W7 boot speed from switch on to CTR;-ALT-DEL prompt was 11s. Let me time W10, seems quicker

[TheBoy]

My five/six year old PC is too old for WIN 10, but I haven't turned it on for about a month now. Don't really need it.

My 8yr old one runs W10 fine. Actually, I think better than it ran Win7 - though as I rebuilt from scratch, it probably lacks the accumulation of crap that had built up previously.

W7 boot speed from switch on to CTR;-ALT-DEL prompt was 11s. Let me time W10, seems quicker

Yup, 8s

[STEMO]

My five/six year old PC is too old for WIN 10, but I haven't turned it on for about a month now. Don't really need it.

My 8yr old one runs W10 fine. Actually, I think better than it ran Win7 - though as I rebuilt from scratch, it probably lacks the accumulation of crap that had built up previously.

Mine is a common graphics problem apparently and, no, I don't do graphics cards and the like.

If I ever feel that I can't live without a laptop/PC, I'll buy a new one.

[Kevin Wood]

Case in point today. Boot my laptop into Win 7 (which is very rare, thankfully). 64 updates and 2 reboots later I start using it.

Go to shut it down tonight.

"Please do not power off or unplug your machine... Installing update 1 of 169.."

WTF do they not understand about the concept of a laptop? Silly me for wanting to shut it down, put it in a bag and walk off with it.

If I were selling OSs that only run on machines with 1980's architecture I'd damned well be trying to hide the fact by making the software as slick as possible, not forcing the customer to jump through hoops like this.

 

[zirk]

Case in point today. Boot my laptop into Win 7 (which is very rare, thankfully). 64 updates and 2 reboots later I start using it.

Go to shut it down tonight.

"Please do not power off or unplug your machine... Installing update 1 of 169.."

WTF do they not understand about the concept of a laptop? Silly me for wanting to shut it down, put it in a bag and walk off with it.

If I were selling OSs that only run on machines with 1980's architecture I'd damned well be trying to hide the fact by making the software as slick as possible, not forcing the customer to jump through hoops like this.

 

Well look on the bright side Kevin, tomorrow morning when its all finished updating, your be a proud owner of a nagging win10 upgrade button waiting to haunt you.

[Broomies Mate]

Not a Microsoft fanboi, far from it, but......

Surely if you use one OS, you tend to start and shut-down the machine daily, or at least a couple of times a week?

If you use more than one OS (multi-boot) you should be at a level to know that updates are required from time to time.

If you are either of the above, you would know that you can turn off Windows Updates, and if you so wish, you can update your OS when it suits you!

I don't see the problem....... A problem that really shouldn't exist. 

[zirk]

Set all my updates to 'ask me when to download / install' for that very reason.

True Mobile Computing is not so Mobile anymore.