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Poor starting Saturday mornings
« on: 13 February 2016, 19:31:18 »

2000 PFL 2.5 petrol manual Omega CDX estate
Normally this car starts and runs cleanly within one second of the first squirt of the starter, hot or cold. But this morning it only fired up on the third 3 second squirt. It did the same thing last Saturday.

Every Friday night I drive 75 miles home from Steventon, Oxfordshire, including 47 miles of M4. Might this be the explanation?

By the way, this is not the same car as my MFL estate, which always needs a 2 second squirt to start.
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #1 on: 13 February 2016, 22:51:13 »

I carry a spare crank sensor in the boot.

Just saying........
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #2 on: 14 February 2016, 08:37:57 »


2000 PFL 2.5 petrol manual Omega CDX estate
Normally this car starts and runs cleanly within one second of the first squirt of the starter, hot or cold. But this morning it only fired up on the third 3 second squirt. It did the same thing last saturday.

Every Friday night I drive 75 miles home from Steventon, Oxfordshire, including 47 miles of M4. Might this be the explanation?

By the way, this is not the same car as my MFL estate, which always needs a 2 second squirt to start.
Don't use it on saturdays :D
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #3 on: 14 February 2016, 09:30:45 »

I carry a spare crank sensor in the boot.

Just saying........
Yes, crank sensor occured to me too. I've had crank sensors fail before, but they have failed when engine was hot, and recovered after 15 minutes allowing me to proceed. After several cycles they fail completely.

 Remind me, what is the procedure to change one at the roadside. Is it jack car up, support car with spare wheel under n/s front wheel, crawl under car, remove torx screw, prise out sensor, pop in good sensor, replace screw, feed cable up to top of engine, plug in connector, and secure cable clear of exhaust? Then proceed home and check cable routing in safety. Difficult bit is crawling under car. Torch could be useful too.
 
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #4 on: 14 February 2016, 09:43:22 »

A svelt figure like you terry paget can possibly do with minimal jacking.

Undo and pull out old one. Leave dangling until home. Route new one up towards ABS (to keep away from manifold), then back over to cable tray. On a 2.5/3.0, might be worth pulling the crank sensor loom out of the hole in cable tray for ICV, to give more slack, as you don't want it tight due to engine movements.
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #5 on: 14 February 2016, 10:15:07 »

Being a skinny rat,I've done it without lifting car at all.Just meant a little bit of extra stretch was needed to reach bolt,but nothing too strenuous!
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #6 on: 14 February 2016, 10:24:57 »

Being a skinny rat,I've done it without lifting car at all.Just meant a little bit of extra stretch was needed to reach bolt,but nothing too strenuous!
terry paget doesn't carry my "winter spread" ;D. Lucky sod.
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #7 on: 14 February 2016, 11:48:29 »

Being a skinny rat,I've done it without lifting car at all.Just meant a little bit of extra stretch was needed to reach bolt,but nothing too strenuous!
terry paget doesn't carry my "winter spread" ;D. Lucky sod.
It'll be time to dust off the "summer spread" soon. :y
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #8 on: 14 February 2016, 12:14:54 »

Being a skinny rat,I've done it without lifting car at all.Just meant a little bit of extra stretch was needed to reach bolt,but nothing too strenuous!
Congratulations to you. Did you come in from the side or the front? I tried from the side by failed. I also failed to raise the car high enough with the car jack to get the spare under the front wheel.
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #9 on: 14 February 2016, 17:21:22 »

Being a skinny rat,I've done it without lifting car at all.Just meant a little bit of extra stretch was needed to reach bolt,but nothing too strenuous!
terry paget doesn't carry my "winter spread" ;D. Lucky sod.
It'll be time to dust off the "summer spread" soon. :y
I'm sure I can fit in some Spring growth before then...
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #10 on: 14 February 2016, 20:03:44 »

I reached bolt from side of car,seemed easier than going from under the front.Dress me all in blue turn me sideways and I look like a biro refill :D ;D ;D
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #11 on: 14 February 2016, 21:56:35 »

I reached bolt from side of car,seemed easier than going from under the front.Dress me all in blue turn me sideways and I look like a biro refill :D ;D ;D
Again, my congratulations. But, as The Boy has observed, I am not over chubby, yet I could not get under the side of my Omega. I had the impression that many of the forum V6 owning members carried spare crank sensors and changed them at the roadside. I still wonder how.
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #12 on: 14 February 2016, 22:05:57 »

I reached bolt from side of car,seemed easier than going from under the front.Dress me all in blue turn me sideways and I look like a biro refill :D ;D ;D
Again, my congratulations. But, as The Boy has observed, I am not over chubby, yet I could not get under the side of my Omega. I had the impression that many of the forum V6 owning members carried spare crank sensors and changed them at the roadside. I still wonder how.
I carry a spare but I can't imagine changing it at the side of the road :-\
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #13 on: 15 February 2016, 08:21:15 »

I reached bolt from side of car,seemed easier than going from under the front.Dress me all in blue turn me sideways and I look like a biro refill :D ;D ;D
Again, my congratulations. But, as The Boy has observed, I am not over chubby, yet I could not get under the side of my Omega. I had the impression that many of the forum V6 owning members carried spare crank sensors and changed them at the roadside. I still wonder how.
I carry a spare but I can't imagine changing it at the side of the road :-\
I suppose when the AA man arrives with his big jack you could then pop in your spare sensor and drive home, rather than be recovered by the AA. Fair enough. Is that general forum policy?
Of course I could always carry a bigger jack and an axle stand, and then be able to change my own crank sensor. Does anyone do that?
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Re: Poor starting Saturday mornings
« Reply #14 on: 15 February 2016, 09:20:03 »


Of course I could always carry a bigger jack and an axle stand, and then be able to change my own crank sensor. Does anyone do that?

Can of worms there Terry - Most of these buggers only bought an Estate so they can carry their entire workshop with them!  ;D
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