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[Lazydocker]

Plus, of course, there is the considerable increase in costs for anything we buy in the shops of EU origin - Check your next basket of groceries for a start! Plus the majority of car parts you buy as a second

That's a massive assumption, as we don't know what kind of UK\EU trade deal will be put in place in the event of Brexit.   

Given that we have a trade deficit with the EU, they would be plan daft to implement tariffs and duties on trade with the UK.  If they did, it would be out of spite and would prove what a shower of shits they are, and that we had made the right decision! 

Of course we will be bombarded with scaremongering propaganda, that everyone will lose their jobs and we're all off to hell in a handcart if we leave the EU.   

Not at all... If we leave then there will be duties and taxes. No if or but. But, as you rightly say, it could be favourable. I doubt it though... The new, independent UK Government will need to raise the lost income somehow

[Sir Tigger KC]

Plus, of course, there is the considerable increase in costs for anything we buy in the shops of EU origin - Check your next basket of groceries for a start! Plus the majority of car parts you buy as a second

That's a massive assumption, as we don't know what kind of UK\EU trade deal will be put in place in the event of Brexit.   

Given that we have a trade deficit with the EU, they would be plan daft to implement tariffs and duties on trade with the UK.  If they did, it would be out of spite and would prove what a shower of shits they are, and that we had made the right decision! 

Of course we will be bombarded with scaremongering propaganda, that everyone will lose their jobs and we're all off to hell in a handcart if we leave the EU.   

Not at all... If we leave then there will be duties and taxes. No if or but. But, as you rightly say, it could be favourable. I doubt it though... The new, independent UK Government will need to raise the lost income somehow

It's an assumption because we don't know for sure what might happen in the event of Britain leaving the EU. We can all have our opinions, but until we know the facts that's all they are. 

An immediate saving of course will be the approx £10 billion Britain contributes to the EU budget, but as we're all off to hell in a hand cart that will be a drop in the ocean!   

[Sir Tigger KC]

I had a quick look on Britain's contribution to the EU and in 2013 we handed over €10.8 billion net. So less than I stated above.  Our gross contribution in 2013 was €17 billion, and just for comparison purposes Poland received €16.8 billion from the EU in the same year. 

I expect later figures are available  but as said it was a quick look.!   

[Entwood]

All those who insist they "know" EXACTLY the result of a vote to leave would be advised to read, study, and UNDERSTAND this article ...

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/

[STEMO]

Despite all the hype, I don't think there's a cat in hells chance of us actually voting to leave.

[05omegav6]

All those who insist they "know" EXACTLY the result of a vote to leave would be advised to read, study, and UNDERSTAND this article ...

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/

This implies that any decision will be made, or at least influenced by, the opinion of columnists and bloggers... which worries me

That said, the leaving process is clearly defined, and if that choice is made, then we would most likely be out of the EU by autumn 2018. Article 50 makes no mention of the possibility of individual agreements between the various EU States and the UK, which as a long term approach might well be a realistic option when it comes to trade, rather than trying to get 72% acceptance from the ballsy side of a 27:1 negotiation.

Remember also, that unencumbered by EU laws and regulation, business will become cheaper and easier... no WTD for example.

[STEMO]

Thanks to the BBC, all we are seeing is the in-fighting in the Conservative party, not the actual views(ill-informed or otherwise) of the general public.
I sincerely believe that all of this is about immigration. There are not that many ordinary folk who know, or even care, about the economic implications. The sad thing is, even with Brexit, I can't see how anything, regarding immigration, would change.

We are f***ed.

[05omegav6]

Should be a media blackout regarding the referendum, same with the Scottish one... all the mudslinging and smoke and mirror bullshit achieves nothing but confusion, which makes a mockery of the referendum causing voter apathy and produces a misrepresentation of opinion... the polar opposite of what it's supposed to do.

Instead, people will simply vote against the last person than riled them, regardless of the actual opinion of either party (both the voter and the lobbyist).

[LC0112G]

Article 50 makes no mention of the possibility of individual agreements between the various EU States and the UK, which as a long term approach might well be a realistic option when it comes to trade, rather than trying to get 72% acceptance from the ballsy side of a 27:1 negotiation.

Article 50 doesn't but lots of other EU treaties do. One of the reasons people give for wanting BREXIT is that the UK could then enter into unilateral trade deals with other countries - like China, India and the Commonwealth which we can't do at the moment because we're in the EU. So if/once we exit the EU, presumably the same rules would prevent the remaining 27 EU countries coming to unilateral agreements with the UK. So we either agree something within the 2 years of an Article 50 exit, or tarrifs/duties get imposed on UK exports to the EU in accordance with WTO rules.

Remember also, that unencumbered by EU laws and regulation, business will become cheaper and easier... no WTD for example.

I highly doubt anything will get cheaper. If GDP drops then taxation will have to increase to maintain current govt spending levels. Saving £10Bn on EU funding is peanuts compared to the £760Bn that the govt spend every year.

Oh - and by the way - could you pull your finger out and make sure that EZY5475 gets away on time tomorrow with a full compliment of Bacon butties. Ta.

[05omegav6]

It's on time at.the moment, but no promises where bacon butties are concerned

[Varche]

A small straw pole was taken in Poole . 50/50,  One woman of a certain age summed it up .When asked which way she would vote she replied. 'Well I'm undecided as I don't know anything about it, but I will definitely be voting Out?

Don't you love democracy!

[TheBoy]

This implies that any decision will be made, or at least influenced by, the opinion of columnists and bloggers... which worries me

Stay worried. You live in a society of naturally lazy people who want the information spoonfed, and are actually too stupid to remove the bias.

That's a general comment, rather than specifically about this subject.

[TheBoy]

That's a massive assumption, as we don't know what kind of UK\EU trade deal will be put in place in the event of Brexit.   

Its a fair assumption, as we aren't big enough like China, and other governments also need to raise shitloads of cash.

The same applies in return, making our manufacturing less viable.  And despite protestations from the one eyed idiot who buggered us up in the first place, we need manufacturing as a vital contribution to our GDP.


Ultimately, I remain undecided, as the pros and cons of either are even in the short term. Long term, I think we'd be soft in the head to leave, but the short term gains may just be enough for me...

[zirk]

When this goes to a Public Vote, were probably be out of the EU as the majority of people will be voting with their 'Immigration, Border Control, Brussels make the Rules' goggles on, rather than the full picture and the benefits that EU Membership can, may or not bring.

Personally I'm still undecided, which probably means my gut feeling thinks we should stay in, at least for the time being, rather than we should definitely be out. 

[78bex]

No one understands the issues involved, it will just be the immigration thing that might get them off their arses & down the road to vote.
If it`s a vote to leave the EU then Cameron is finished & IDS & his cronies will wheel out the ID card borricks again. IDS has already said that if we leave the EU, "it will help to prevent a Paris style Massacre"; the sh%t stirer.
Who in their right minds thinks that the current Govt. has the remotest idea what the hell they`re going do if  leave the EU.
What a bloody shambles.