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[Kevin Wood]

Yes, it's interesting to look at similar polls at other forums too.

[Terbs]

Just been having a tout round a number of forums, and I have noticed one thing that seems to be prevalent....

it seems that a large number of people (mainly those on the 'Remain in' side, seem to be implying that all the Europeans living here will be booted out of their jobs and sent home (and indeed ex pats being sent back here) !!!!!!! Where did that come from.
We do need people to do these jobs. They will still wash your car for peanuts, try to undercut other trades. Pick cabbages. What will happen, I expect, is a tighter check on who is here.
Think of this....these jobs, that apparently no one wants to do, are jobs that don't require kids to stay at school till they are 18, don't need a myriad of exam passes, don't need College or University degrees. But that is the type of education every kid in this country is being pushed to do. And if a school does not educate a student to attain these dizzy heights, they are rated down and all hell breaks loose. So after passing all that the government are pushing these kids to do, they are then expected to pick cabbages.....I think not!!
You can't have it both ways !!!

[STEMO]

Just been having a tout round a number of forums, and I have noticed one thing that seems to be prevalent....

it seems that a large number of people (mainly those on the 'Remain in' side, seem to be implying that all the Europeans living here will be booted out of their jobs and sent home (and indeed ex pats being sent back here) !!!!!!! Where did that come from.
We do need people to do these jobs. They will still wash your car for peanuts, try to undercut other trades. Pick cabbages. What will happen, I expect, is a tighter check on who is here.
Think of this....these jobs, that apparently no one wants to do, are jobs that don't require kids to stay at school till they are 18, don't need a myriad of exam passes, don't need College or University degrees. But that is the type of education every kid in this country is being pushed to do. And if a school does not educate a student to attain these dizzy heights, they are rated down and all hell breaks loose. So after passing all that the government are pushing these kids to do, they are then expected to pick cabbages.....I think not!!
You can't have it both ways !!!

Yes. But there are plenty of kids who do not attain the kind of qualifications the government wants. Those jobs would be better going to them, even if they needed the threat of withdrawal of benefits to make them do it.

[Terbs]

I do agree with you, Steve...maybe my posting did not give that impression. But there is a higher level of qualifications than in my/our younger days. And, dare I say it, the world of IT does not help. Even the 'unqualified' seem to be able to do IT !!
Lets put it like this (and maybe I am not normal) but if I was out of work, I would pull cabbages to support my family during my working days. I had to resort to something similar in my younger days till eventually an opening appeared from which I never looked back.
Probably the attitude of 'I will get benefits' nowadays, but that is another topic.
I want 'out', but, I can fully understand people trying to get here from Europe to support their families. To me that situation, shows just how successful the EU is.....not

[Varche]

The "view" on expat forums is that expats living elsewhere in Europe for some time will keep their rights. Might be totally different though for someone to go and live the dream after a Brexit. Spain for example a few years ago implemented a rule that said immigrants had to show that they had the means to support themselves and buy healthcare. That and no jobs for anyone, put people off.

It would be totally unmanageable to have everyone repatriated to their home country so you can rule that out.

What is interesting is we focus on people doing low paid jobs. I understand that the number of French folk living and working in London would make it the sixth biggest French city by population. They won't all be in low paid jobs.

I have said it before but this government and the last needed 100,000's of immigrant workers and thus paid lip service to managing numbers. maybe what they didn't do was augment the local infrastructure to cope with the numbers from the wealth created.

[Kevin Wood]

I have said it before but this government and the last needed 100,000's of immigrant workers and thus paid lip service to managing numbers. maybe what they didn't do was augment the local infrastructure to cope with the numbers from the wealth created.

Indeed, and I've seen no evidence of migrants to the UK coming to sponge off the benefits system, and plenty of evidence of them coming here to put some hard graft in, tabloid hysteria aside. Naturally, they will be blamed when public services don't cope, and then Cameron is "seen" to do "something", so everything's fine and dandy. Must think we were born yesterday.

We are attractive because our economy is doing rather better than most in Europe, not because of our benefits system.

[Terbs]

When I mentioned benefits, I was referring to what I suspect is the  'could not care less' attitude of some youths (and others) thinking the state would look after them, not migrants (the majority) looking to come here just for benefits. Most, as you say, do put in really hard graft.
And as you so rightly point out.......its the infrastructure that just can't cope. You know it, I know it, but politicians seem to be blinkered on the subject !!!!

In my mind, Cameron is akin to Chamberlain (Peace in out time) waving his bit of paper, which as we all know, was a total con !!!

[Kevin Wood]

Yes, Cameron seems to think that none of his "subjects" think beyond the tabloid headlines.

And as you so rightly point out.......its the infrastructure that just can't cope. You know it, I know it, but politicians seem to be blinkered on the subject !!!!

Problem is, it costs money to sort out. Raising taxes / cutting benefits does not a career politician make.

[STEMO]

Over the last year or so, Cameron is coming across as "Take no notice of anyone else, I'm telling you so it must right". Arrogant and dismissive. When he spouts numbers from the dispatch box, he expects people to just accept them and not actually go away and check.
It's been the downfall of many before him.

[Shackeng]

Over the last year or so, Cameron is coming across as "Take no notice of anyone else, I'm telling you so it must right". Arrogant and dismissive. When he spouts numbers from the dispatch box, he expects people to just accept them and not actually go away and check.
It's been the downfall of many before him.

And unfortunately the lack of a credible opposition only encourages this sort of behaviour.

[Kevin Wood]

Over the last year or so, Cameron is coming across as "Take no notice of anyone else, I'm telling you so it must right". Arrogant and dismissive. When he spouts numbers from the dispatch box, he expects people to just accept them and not actually go away and check.
It's been the downfall of many before him.

And unfortunately the lack of a credible opposition only encourages this sort of behaviour.

Yep, he's not held accountable at the dispatch box because Corbyn consistently fails to spot the open goal.

[Rods2]

Impressive podcast interview well worth listening to, with UKIP's only MP Douglas Carswell.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/24/in-a-week-dominated-by-the-eu-ukips-douglas-carswell-is-this-weeks-pbpolling-matters-special-guest/

There are two sides to immigration, the skilled we need and should welcome and the unskilled that could be done by the UK unemployed. Many unskilled unemployed immigrants are being exploited by the unscrupulous at wages well below the minimum, as Ben Judah's book "This is London" shown in his article below:

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/opinions/london-where-people-cling-to-prayer-not-politics-boris-johnson-immigration-minimum-wage

[Lazydocker]

Impressive podcast interview well worth listening to, with UKIP's only MP Douglas Carswell.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/24/in-a-week-dominated-by-the-eu-ukips-douglas-carswell-is-this-weeks-pbpolling-matters-special-guest/

There are two sides to immigration, the skilled we need and should welcome and the unskilled that could be done by the UK unemployed. Many unskilled unemployed immigrants are being exploited by the unscrupulous at wages well below the minimum, as Ben Judah's book "This is London" shown in his article below:

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/opinions/london-where-people-cling-to-prayer-not-politics-boris-johnson-immigration-minimum-wage

Except a lot of them think they're either above it or are "entitled" to their benefits

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Cameron seems to be developing a Mugabe complex. He has banned civil servants who work for ministers who are campaigning to leave from having access to government briefings and are only allowed to be involved in the leave campaign in their own time.
Those working for ministers who campaign to remain are allowed full access and can campaign during working hours, paid for by us taxpayers.
Blair taught him well. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Impressive podcast interview well worth listening to, with UKIP's only MP Douglas Carswell.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/24/in-a-week-dominated-by-the-eu-ukips-douglas-carswell-is-this-weeks-pbpolling-matters-special-guest/

There are two sides to immigration, the skilled we need and should welcome and the unskilled that could be done by the UK unemployed. Many unskilled unemployed immigrants are being exploited by the unscrupulous at wages well below the minimum, as Ben Judah's book "This is London" shown in his article below:

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/opinions/london-where-people-cling-to-prayer-not-politics-boris-johnson-immigration-minimum-wage

Except a lot of them think they're either above it or are "entitled" to their benefits

Which is why, in those circumstances, they should be told to pick cabbages or starve. When you have them by the balls their hearts & minds will follow.