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[Viral_Jim]

Tiger:

I don't necessarily disagree with you but it's worth bearing in mind the level of evidence you need befor you approach. I've, just how sure are you? Because here's the rub:

What if the person you get Intel about is a thief, scrote or maybe part of organised crime, by not a terrorist. Killing them creates something between a poster child and a martyr for causes just like Isis. In trying to whack one mole, you spawn a dozen more.

Hence my earlier comment about being cautious about being overly simplistic. There always has to be a balance between the powers that allow the intelligence services to act on information and protect the majority and those powers alienating large swathes of our society and creating the very environment of distrust and prejudice that extremists NEED in order to thrive.

[Kevin Wood]

I think the antidote to this activity is to work quietly to quash it by intelligence whilst not outwardly raising the levels of hysteria we see in the media, not inconveniencing innocent people nor removing their liberty. To do any of this is to play into the hands of the terrorists.

It must be awful to be in the position of pscocoa's friend, having loved ones taken from you needlessly. She has my every sympathy, especially as I write while preparing a celebration of my own parents golden wedding anniversary.

Personal impact aside, for a moment, though, we accept a much higher risk of losing our lives every time we take to the roads or participate in any other activities which we consider commonplace, so these events aren't significant to the population as a whole, and aren't worthy of the publicity they create for their perpetrators.

[2boxerdogs]

As someone said earlier, God knows what's in store for my grandsons a few years down the road, what goes on in these peoples minds is beyond me . My thoughts & prayers to the families whose lives will never be the same again.

[tigers_gonads]

Tiger:

I don't necessarily disagree with you but it's worth bearing in mind the level of evidence you need befor you approach. I've, just how sure are you? Because here's the rub:

What if the person you get Intel about is a thief, scrote or maybe part of organised crime, by not a terrorist. Killing them creates something between a poster child and a martyr for causes just like Isis. In trying to whack one mole, you spawn a dozen more.

Hence my earlier comment about being cautious about being overly simplistic. There always has to be a balance between the powers that allow the intelligence services to act on information and protect the majority and those powers alienating large swathes of our society and creating the very environment of distrust and prejudice that extremists NEED in order to thrive.

I can't fault anything you say there Jimmy
I really just don't think the general public at large have a clue with what we are facing here 
This county and the west as a whole has become soft and scared to call it the way it should be 
We are far too worried about what people think so we either talk in whispers in case somebody screams they are offended or we put our fingers in our ears, stick our heads in the sand and convince ourselves that it isn't happening 

In fact I would say that we more frightened of being frightened then fear itself 

I saw the local Imam from Brussels on the TV last night.
One look into his eyes and just listening to his voice told you just how he and the majority of his flock feel about these bastards.
I just wish we could see this on a daily basis in the media around the world.  Not when something like this has happened 
That would be a very powerful message to these vile scum 



Kevin

Very eloquently put and I agree with you 
Terrorism is as the name suggests, to bully or terrorise until you get your own way 
Sadly, with the media been run by Muddoch and Putin and with social media been imbedded in our life's to the extent it is, these scum are getting all the attention and publicity they require 

Look at the Turks last week after the latest bombings there.
They instantly shut down Twitter and Facebook until they got on top of the situation on the ground.
Harsh but fair if you ask me but can you imagine the shite that would hit the fan if the UK government did that here ? 

[aaronjb]

That would be a very powerful message to these vile scum 

I'm not sure it would - I read a statistic somewhere recently (no idea of it's accuracy, I'll grant you) that IS have killed more Muslims than they have non-Muslims. As far as they are concerned if you don't follow their brand then you are fit to be killed.

Look at the Turks last week after the latest bombings there.
They instantly shut down Twitter and Facebook until they got on top of the situation on the ground.
Harsh but fair if you ask me but can you imagine the shite that would hit the fan if the UK government did that here ?

Turkey also have no problem imprisoning journalists they don't agree with so I'm not sure we should take too many censorship cues from Erdogan The crazy.

(Then again the UK is also good at jailing people for posting things on Twitter, or jailing 22 year olds for running proxies to banned websites so.. those in glass houses, I guess!)

[05omegav6]

Globally, how many people have been killed on the roads since the treasonous twins invaded Iraq?

Perhaps these idiots should be given the proportionate media attention that their overall insignificance warrants, ie next to none.

Just a thought...

[tigers_gonads]

People get killed on the roads and in most walks of life everyday and even I can't blame our war criminal, Tony bLiar for that one   

You have lost me and I suspect a few others on how you can compare a bunch of nutters who wrap themselves in nails and explosive, walk into a crowd of total strangers, mutter something about god is great then proceed to blow the poor oppsers to kingdom come     
As for the media coverage, we have only ourselves to blame 

[STEMO]

My logic is: there's eff all I can do about any of it, so I just get on with my life. 

[pscocoa]

Going back to my original post  - friend's mother is in intensive car and her father is classed as missing.

[05omegav6]

People get killed on the roads and in most walks of life everyday and even I can't blame our war criminal, Tony bLiar for that one   

You have lost me and I suspect a few others on how you can compare a bunch of nutters who wrap themselves in nails and explosive, walk into a crowd of total strangers, mutter something about god is great then proceed to blow the poor oppsers to kingdom come     
As for the media coverage, we have only ourselves to blame 

No, not blaming those two for road deaths, merely trying to make the point that these attacks, how ever attrocious that they are, are statistically insignificant (for want of a much better word :-().

Terrorism serves purely to cause fear and disruption. Allowing either thing to affect a civilised way of life only serves to pander and encourage such behaviour.

[05omegav6]

Going back to my original post  - friend's mother is in intensive car and her father is classed as missing.

Sad news indeed

[tigers_gonads]

People get killed on the roads and in most walks of life everyday and even I can't blame our war criminal, Tony bLiar for that one   

You have lost me and I suspect a few others on how you can compare a bunch of nutters who wrap themselves in nails and explosive, walk into a crowd of total strangers, mutter something about god is great then proceed to blow the poor oppsers to kingdom come     
As for the media coverage, we have only ourselves to blame 

No, not blaming those two for road deaths, merely trying to make the point that these attacks, how ever attrocious that they are, are statistically insignificant (for want of a much better word :-().

Terrorism serves purely to cause fear and disruption. Allowing either thing to affect a civilised way of life only serves to pander and encourage such behaviour.

: Gotcha 
Its hard to put into words, some of the shit that goes on in this world 

: Agree that we should try not to let this take over our life's but imho, these scum are in a totally different league to anything seen before.
They will settle for nothing more then total domination and obedience of there beliefs.
If you resist, well we know the rest ............ 
They have to be crushed and bullets and bombs will not do it alone.
The hardest part is separating these scum from the genuine followers of Islam.
How the hell you do that I truly don't know but I believe it will take a generation to do 

[tigers_gonads]

Going back to my original post  - friend's mother is in intensive car and her father is classed as missing.

I've no words to explain how I feel about this 

[05omegav6]

Going back to my original post  - friend's mother is in intensive car and her father is classed as missing.

I've no words to explain how I feel about this 

Can only hope that, given the fullness of time, that she recovers from her injuries and that Phils friend and his family can take some solace, however slight, in knowing rather than not

[BazaJT]

I see the guy they shot in the leg and arrested[which was caught on camera]has excersized his right to silence!