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[pauls]

Interesting conversation at work yesturday, one of my regular customers came in and was looking a bit stressed. I asked him whats the problem and he explained he was driving along when from the back of his van something exploded and they was flames everywhere. He quickly pulled up and call the fire service. After putting out the flames they checked the back of the van. It turns out the brand new 6 piece makita set one of the batteries shorted out and went bang in turn setting off the paslo nail gun gas cartridges

We are now talking with makita and his company to see who is going to pay the bill.

[Andy H]

How did the battery 'short out'?

Was it packed away in it's case or floating around with the other stuff in the back of his van?

[pauls]

Wasnt advised i would have thought to cause it to short it would have needed a hit. So probably laying around in the van

[Gaffers]

The cells in the battery packs are numerous cylinders spot welded in to  a packed using flat metal bars.  Just needs on of those bars to detach and move.....

[zirk]

I had a 24v bosch hammer drill itself out of the side of a Escort Van once,  I'd left a 2ft Masony Bit in it, and threw in the back, despite putting the switch lock on. 

I remember driving around the M25 thinking wtf is that noise, wasn't till I pulled of a slip road, stopped an saw the Bit spinning around outside of the Van Panel. 

I think either way, its what the Investigators put down to 'Pilot Error.' 

[Rods2]

If it was a Li-on battery, they can internally short and catch fire. Many airlines have now banned them as commercial cargo on mixed passenger / cargo aircraft after several incidents and the loss of an aircraft in Asia where this may have happened. This also caused a major fire for Williams F1 in their pit garage.

Be careful how you store and secure your batteries when transporting them.

[05omegav6]

The reason they are banned from aircraft holds is that although pressurised, holds are not routinely heated, allowing condensation to form. This in turn can short the terminals, causing instantaneous discharge. A battery fire in the hold is usually fatal as any warning is about 30,000 ft from anyone who could do summat about it

A battery fire in an overhead locker is not only significantly less likely, it is also much easier to deal with

This is why any tablets/laptops should be carried as handluggage and not checked into the hold. Bear this in mind if you're asked to 'volunteer' your bag for hold loading 

Also, whilst lithium batteries are a form of dry cell, they are not the same thing, and are treated differently... Anyone travelling with a mobility scooter can ride it to the aircraft door, but any hint of a mention of lithium and you must carry the batteries in the cabin. Failing to do this can see your scooter staying behind...

[Kevin Wood]

Yes, speak to the Dreamliner development team about Li-Ion batteries on aircraft.

[omega2018]

The reason they are banned from aircraft holds is that although pressurised, holds are not routinely heated, allowing condensation to form. This in turn can short the terminals, causing instantaneous discharge. A battery fire in the hold is usually fatal as any warning is about 30,000 ft from anyone who could do summat about it

A battery fire in an overhead locker is not only significantly less likely, it is also much easier to deal with

This is why any tablets/laptops should be carried as handluggage and not checked into the hold. Bear this in mind if you're asked to 'volunteer' your bag for hold loading 

Also, whilst lithium batteries are a form of dry cell, they are not the same thing, and are treated differently... Anyone travelling with a mobility scooter can ride it to the aircraft door, but any hint of a mention of lithium and you must carry the batteries in the cabin. Failing to do this can see your scooter staying behind...

that's a slightly unkind way to describe your focus saloon. probably accurate though

[ronnyd]

The reason they are banned from aircraft holds is that although pressurised, holds are not routinely heated, allowing condensation to form. This in turn can short the terminals, causing instantaneous discharge. A battery fire in the hold is usually fatal as any warning is about 30,000 ft from anyone who could do summat about it

A battery fire in an overhead locker is not only significantly less likely, it is also much easier to deal with

This is why any tablets/laptops should be carried as handluggage and not checked into the hold. Bear this in mind if you're asked to 'volunteer' your bag for hold loading 

Also, whilst lithium batteries are a form of dry cell, they are not the same thing, and are treated differently... Anyone travelling with a mobility scooter can ride it to the aircraft door, but any hint of a mention of lithium and you must carry the batteries in the cabin. Failing to do this can see your scooter staying behind...

that's a slightly unkind way to describe your focus saloon. probably accurate though

[05omegav6]

idiot.

[omega2018]

[05omegav6]

Not what I typed... I'm sure you related to the other one

Was actually a serious point. The number of people who don't know what type of battery they have nor understand the implications is frightening.

And quite what it has to do with my choice of car is beyond me. Getting royally pissed off at having to justify everything I do to tw4ts like you.

[Broomies Mate]

Not what I typed... I'm sure you related to the other one

Was actually a serious point. The number of people who don't know what type of battery they have nor understand the implications is frightening.

And quite what it has to do with my choice of car is beyond me. Getting royally pissed off at having to justify everything I do to tw4ts like you.

Ah, don't worry about it 'Arris.  Thankfully it's rare, but there seems to be a few people who bought an Omega with the wrong (small, underpowered) engine who get all flappy about others choices.  It's like they are trying to make up for something.

[05omegav6]

Not what I typed... I'm sure you related to the other one

Was actually a serious point. The number of people who don't know what type of battery they have nor understand the implications is frightening.

And quite what it has to do with my choice of car is beyond me. Getting royally pissed off at having to justify everything I do to tw4ts like you.

Ah, don't worry about it 'Arris.  Thankfully it's rare, but there seems to be a few people who bought an Omega with the wrong (small, underpowered) engine who get all flappy about others choices.  It's like they are trying to make up for something.

Banter is one thing, but those two need a good dose of Canesten