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[Sir Tigger KC]

At the very time that we need our politicians to have a bit of backbone and show leadership, the Labour Party have gone and imploded!   

They're irrelevant in Scotland and hopefully will be in the rest of the country before long! RIP. 

[tigers_gonads]

At the very time that we need our politicians to have a bit of backbone and show leadership, the Labour Party have gone and imploded!   

They're irrelevant in Scotland and hopefully will be in the rest of the country before long! RIP. 

I'm not and never have been a labour supporter but this is a very bad thing for these isles 
A democracy needs something approaching a credible opposition to keep whoever is in No 10 in check 

[Nick W]

And politicians wonder why nobody trusts them!


Cameron won a general election by promising a referendum that was bound to split his party no matter what the result. It makes you wonder what he and his advisors were smoking when they came up with that as a plan. The Conservatives are now stuck with a damaging leadership election instead of getting on with the real job of making the referendum result work.


The resurgence of a traditional right wing Conservative party unsurprisingly made Labour swing to the left, and they elected a poster boy leader. Their lowkey Remain campaign actually turned out to be lazy and complacent, and now they're emulating the other party with similarly damaging internal problems.


Neither party has a plan, and so they're concentrating on things they know how to do, but that are utterly useless for what we elected them to do and pay them for.


The electorate hasn't helped; a 75% turnout and a very close result is a pretty poor showing and the whining about how it isn't fair or democratic(which are not the same thing!) does us no credit whatsoever. It seems Churchill was right(The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter); there was a grandmother on the radio this morning whose reason to  Leave was I don't understand the issues, so I voted Leave because I like Boris, and it's what my father would have wanted

[aaronjb]

there was a grandmother on the radio this morning whose reason to  Leave was I don't understand the issues, so I voted Leave because I like Boris, and it's what my father would have wanted

But is that really any different to "I voted <insert party here> at the election because that's the way my family has always voted"..

[Mister Rog]

there was a grandmother on the radio this morning whose reason to  Leave was I don't understand the issues, so I voted Leave because I like Boris, and it's what my father would have wanted

But is that really any different to "I voted <insert party here> at the election because that's the way my family has always voted"..

Well that's right. "Tribal Voting" is a real problem.   

[Kevin Wood]

Cameron won a general election by promising a referendum that was bound to split his party no matter what the result. It makes you wonder what he and his advisors were smoking when they came up with that as a plan.....

They were sure that they'd end up in a coalition, and the referendum was the first thing they'd negotiate out of their manifesto to form one.

Given that the whole construct was designed to protect his career, you'd have thought Cameron would have the decency to have planned for the Brexit option becoming a reality, or at least to stick around and do his best to put it into practice with as little pain as possible.

[btc]

Cameron won a general election by promising a referendum that was bound to split his party no matter what the result. It makes you wonder what he and his advisors were smoking when they came up with that as a plan.....

They were sure that they'd end up in a coalition, and the referendum was the first thing they'd negotiate out of their manifesto to form one.

Given that the whole construct was designed to protect his career, you'd have thought Cameron would have the decency to have planned for the Brexit option becoming a reality, or at least to stick around and do his best to put it into practice with as little pain as possible.

I am sure he also said he would implement the exit as soon as the result was know (if we voted to leave)

[Varche]

A very large number of out voters would be disenfranchised ignored ordinary folk on mnimum or near minimum wages and no savings or share portfolios. They have been ignored for a generation by our politicians.

It really is unseemly seeing the current crop looking only to further their own careers.

At the weekend I lambasted Osborne (next long term Tory PM) for not getting out there and calming the markets. He was no doubt keeping a low profile and planning his career. Cameron.Words fail me. Clever move for him to announce he is going and then vanish.

Corbyn. I give up. No credible opposition to the government but we haven't got a government have we till October?? I wonder how many seats UKIP will net in the Autumn election? It will be pointless as by then political and legal wranglings will have Britain back in the EU albeit in a damaged state and of course on terms to suit the EU. Will we have to take the euro?

How about dissolving parliament and installing a benevolent but despotic William?

[redelitev6]

never took them seriously since they dumped Mandelson on Hartlepool , a real working class hero   

[Mister Rog]

When Corbyn became Labour leader he constructed a shadow cabinet presumably consisiting of those that he felt were best for the job. I would hope that any cabinet is based on merit and ability    So, with most of his shadow cabinet gone, are we to assume that a new one will consisit of "second best" ?

[Marks DTM Calib]

Cameron won a general election by promising a referendum that was bound to split his party no matter what the result. It makes you wonder what he and his advisors were smoking when they came up with that as a plan.....

They were sure that they'd end up in a coalition, and the referendum was the first thing they'd negotiate out of their manifesto to form one.

Given that the whole construct was designed to protect his career, you'd have thought Cameron would have the decency to have planned for the Brexit option becoming a reality, or at least to stick around and do his best to put it into practice with as little pain as possible.

I am sure he also said he would implement the exit as soon as the result was know (if we voted to leave)

Which is where his true clever act comes in, by resigning first thing he avoids having to do that and passes the poison challis onto the next leader.....and in the same move effectively hangs Boris and team out to dry.

[Kevin Wood]

When Corbyn became Labour leader he constructed a shadow cabinet presumably consisiting of those that he felt were best for the job. I would hope that any cabinet is based on merit and ability    So, with most of his shadow cabinet gone, are we to assume that a new one will consisit of "second best" ?

Credit where it's due, Corbyn is doing an admirable job of hiring cabinet members fast enough to keep up with the flow of resignations.   He's going to run out of back benchers sooner or later, mind.

#There's a hole in my bucket... #

I suspect that we will end up without a tory leader who is prepared to see this through to a Brexit. Will of the people aside, if nobody is prepared to actually step up and do it, it won't happen. We already have the likes of Jeremy Hunt talking about running for leadership on some sort of compromise agreement. I suspect in the long run we'll end up with a worse deal than the status quo once the EU realise we haven't got the balls to carry it through.

[Mister Rog]

When Corbyn became Labour leader he constructed a shadow cabinet presumably consisiting of those that he felt were best for the job. I would hope that any cabinet is based on merit and ability    So, with most of his shadow cabinet gone, are we to assume that a new one will consisit of "second best" ?

Credit where it's due, Corbyn is doing an admirable job of hiring cabinet members fast enough to keep up with the flow of resignations.   He's going to run out of back benchers sooner or later, mind.

Wooooops . . . . . .

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/new-shadow-defence-secretary-on-way-back-from-glastonbury-and-misses-commons-debut-a3282046.html

[Kevin Wood]

Of course, getting back from Glastonbury to London, having a shower, ironing a shirt and putting a suit on is the work of a couple of hours if your employer has an urgent need....

Kinda makes me wonder what the problem was...

[aaronjb]

Depends how stoned he was.