Omega Owners Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Welcome to OOF

Pages: [1] 2 3  All   Go Down

Author Topic: diesel  (Read 7461 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Toledodude1973

  • Omega Knight
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • IPSWICH U.K.
  • Posts: 1300
  • 2002 2.6 elite,1973 ,Gas van,1974 victor fe
    • 2.6 OMEGA ELITE 2002
    • View Profile
diesel
« on: 05 March 2017, 10:08:07 »

What are the government now saying ,all diesels are bad ,vans,lorries,cars ,does this mean a big drop in second hand prices?
Logged
2002 omega slowly morphing into 2003 omega with increasing doner parts fitted

X30XE

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • UK
  • Posts: 945
    • 740i,728i,S320 & Disco
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #1 on: 05 March 2017, 10:20:10 »

What are the government now saying ,all diesels are bad ,vans,lorries,cars ,does this mean a big drop in second hand prices?

Hell no. Not until they ramp up diesel fuel duty to more than petrol per mile at any rate.
Logged
Omegatitis : [in remission]
Current "illnesses" : '00 740i | '00 728i |'00 S320 | '00 Discovery V8 | '03 9-5 HOT Aero | '06 Mini One  |  '98 406

Viral_Jim

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Telford
  • Posts: 4472
    • Too many, mostly broken
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #2 on: 05 March 2017, 10:44:35 »

No, I don't think so.

Diesel residuals are supported by their low pence per mile running costs. As X30XE says, nothing proposed so far does anything to change that. The current approach is more softly softly than that, but I think will see diesel slowly disappear without the need for anything costly like a 2 tier diesel duty system. You can't just hike diesel fuel duty in the short term as this has the potential to cripple a road-based economy such as ours.

60% of cars bought are company cars and the gov't is attacking these by way of a tax surcharge, both on the car and company fuel. So this will reduce numbers in the future. Old diesels are. Being banned from town centres and (I would imagine) will shortly be subject to some kind of scrap page scheme.

10yrs from now, I don't see many new diesel cars being sold. But I don't see residuals dipping in the short or medium term.
Logged

Field Marshal Dr. Opti

  • Get A Life!!
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Utopia
  • Posts: 32532
  • Speaking sense, not Woke PC crap
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #3 on: 05 March 2017, 12:11:41 »

No, I don't think so.

Diesel residuals are supported by their low pence per mile running costs. As X30XE says, nothing proposed so far does anything to change that. The current approach is more softly softly than that, but I think will see diesel slowly disappear without the need for anything costly like a 2 tier diesel duty system. You can't just hike diesel fuel duty in the short term as this has the potential to cripple a road-based economy such as ours.

60% of cars bought are company cars and the gov't is attacking these by way of a tax surcharge, both on the car and company fuel. So this will reduce numbers in the future. Old diesels are. Being banned from town centres and (I would imagine) will shortly be subject to some kind of scrap page scheme.

10yrs from now, I don't see many new diesel cars being sold. But I don't see residuals dipping in the short or medium term.


I'm not quite sure where this inaccuracy comes from. Lorry fuel is more expensive than proper car fuel and older derv cars are  more expensive to fix when something big goes tits up. :)

Logged

Field Marshal Dr. Opti

  • Get A Life!!
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Utopia
  • Posts: 32532
  • Speaking sense, not Woke PC crap
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #4 on: 05 March 2017, 12:19:12 »

No, I don't think so.

Diesel residuals are supported by their low pence per mile running costs. As X30XE says, nothing proposed so far does anything to change that. The current approach is more softly softly than that, but I think will see diesel slowly disappear without the need for anything costly like a 2 tier diesel duty system. You can't just hike diesel fuel duty in the short term as this has the potential to cripple a road-based economy such as ours.

60% of cars bought are company cars and the gov't is attacking these by way of a tax surcharge, both on the car and company fuel. So this will reduce numbers in the future. Old diesels are. Being banned from town centres and (I would imagine) will shortly be subject to some kind of scrap page scheme.

10yrs from now, I don't see many new diesel cars being sold. But I don't see residuals dipping in the short or medium term.






I concur with this.

However, fewer derv sales will give the perception that people have lost faith in diesel, and used car prices will fall accordingly.

Tipping point could be reached relatively soon.
Logged

TheBoy

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Brackley, Northants
  • Posts: 107008
  • I Like Lockdown
    • Whatever Starts
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #5 on: 05 March 2017, 12:52:47 »

I bet BP are now regretting their (frequently denied) decision to remove all LPG pumps....
Logged
Grumpy old man

VXL V6

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Warwickshire
  • Posts: 9874
    • 530D M Sport, Elite 3.2
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #6 on: 05 March 2017, 14:23:55 »

I bet BP are now regretting their (frequently denied) decision to remove all LPG pumps....
Ah LPG, i'm still waiting for the kit to magically fit itself to the car!

Maybe i'll do it this summer... you never know!
Logged

tunnie

  • Get A Life!!
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Surrey
  • Posts: 37573
    • Zafira Tourer & BMW 435i
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #7 on: 05 March 2017, 18:19:57 »

No, I don't think so.

Diesel residuals are supported by their low pence per mile running costs. As X30XE says, nothing proposed so far does anything to change that. The current approach is more softly softly than that, but I think will see diesel slowly disappear without the need for anything costly like a 2 tier diesel duty system. You can't just hike diesel fuel duty in the short term as this has the potential to cripple a road-based economy such as ours.

60% of cars bought are company cars and the gov't is attacking these by way of a tax surcharge, both on the car and company fuel. So this will reduce numbers in the future. Old diesels are. Being banned from town centres and (I would imagine) will shortly be subject to some kind of scrap page scheme.

10yrs from now, I don't see many new diesel cars being sold. But I don't see residuals dipping in the short or medium term.


I'm not quite sure where this inaccuracy comes from. Lorry fuel is more expensive than proper car fuel and older derv cars are  more expensive to fix when something big goes tits up. :)

Running the VW as daily driver over the 3.2, saves me £2k per year.
Logged

Lincs Robert

  • Guest
Re: diesel
« Reply #8 on: 05 March 2017, 18:24:30 »

No, I don't think so.

Diesel residuals are supported by their low pence per mile running costs. As X30XE says, nothing proposed so far does anything to change that. The current approach is more softly softly than that, but I think will see diesel slowly disappear without the need for anything costly like a 2 tier diesel duty system. You can't just hike diesel fuel duty in the short term as this has the potential to cripple a road-based economy such as ours.

60% of cars bought are company cars and the gov't is attacking these by way of a tax surcharge, both on the car and company fuel. So this will reduce numbers in the future. Old diesels are. Being banned from town centres and (I would imagine) will shortly be subject to some kind of scrap page scheme.

10yrs from now, I don't see many new diesel cars being sold. But I don't see residuals dipping in the short or medium term.


I'm not quite sure where this inaccuracy comes from. Lorry fuel is more expensive than proper car fuel and older derv cars are  more expensive to fix when something big goes tits up. :)

Running the VW as daily driver over the 3.2, saves me £2k per year.

I'm now getting 800+ miles per tank instead of barely 400, so concur with Tunnie's view here ..
Logged

Lizzie Zoom

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • South
  • Posts: 7555
    • Omega 3.2 V6 ELITE 2003
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #9 on: 05 March 2017, 18:26:40 »

No, I don't think so.

Diesel residuals are supported by their low pence per mile running costs. As X30XE says, nothing proposed so far does anything to change that. The current approach is more softly softly than that, but I think will see diesel slowly disappear without the need for anything costly like a 2 tier diesel duty system. You can't just hike diesel fuel duty in the short term as this has the potential to cripple a road-based economy such as ours.

60% of cars bought are company cars and the gov't is attacking these by way of a tax surcharge, both on the car and company fuel. So this will reduce numbers in the future. Old diesels are. Being banned from town centres and (I would imagine) will shortly be subject to some kind of scrap page scheme.

10yrs from now, I don't see many new diesel cars being sold. But I don't see residuals dipping in the short or medium term.


10 years from now I can foresee petrol driven cars declining fast as electrics / hybrids taking over in any case, so diesels will go the same way ::):o
Logged

TD

  • Omega Knight
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Swindon
  • Posts: 1235
    • Nowt!
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #10 on: 05 March 2017, 18:35:52 »

No, I don't think so.

Diesel residuals are supported by their low pence per mile running costs. As X30XE says, nothing proposed so far does anything to change that. The current approach is more softly softly than that, but I think will see diesel slowly disappear without the need for anything costly like a 2 tier diesel duty system. You can't just hike diesel fuel duty in the short term as this has the potential to cripple a road-based economy such as ours.

60% of cars bought are company cars and the gov't is attacking these by way of a tax surcharge, both on the car and company fuel. So this will reduce numbers in the future. Old diesels are. Being banned from town centres and (I would imagine) will shortly be subject to some kind of scrap page scheme.

10yrs from now, I don't see many new diesel cars being sold. But I don't see residuals dipping in the short or medium term.


10 years from now I can foresee petrol driven cars declining fast as electrics / hybrids taking over in any case, so diesels will go the same way ::):o

I agree Lizzie, so make sure your 3.2 survives the next 10 years and it could worth a fortune as petrol heads will always want a petrol engine  :y

My Mondeo 1.6TD wont see another 10 years  ;D Its 4.5 years old and already on 160k.
Tho fair play to it, when the cambelt came adrift a few months ago....all it needed was another cambelt kit  :y no damage done  :)
Carnt see an Omega surviving that  ::)
Logged

Rods2

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Sandhurst Berkshire
  • Posts: 7604
    • 1999 3.0 Elite Estate
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #11 on: 05 March 2017, 19:32:45 »

In 10 years time it will not only be diesel cars that will be disappearing but also quaint old cars, that you still drive yourself. 2020-2022 are when the mass car manufacturers are gearing up for mass producing self-driving cars.
Logged
US Fracking and Saudi Arabia defending its market share = The good news of an oil glut, lower and lower prices for us and squeaky bum time for Putin!

Lizzie Zoom

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • South
  • Posts: 7555
    • Omega 3.2 V6 ELITE 2003
    • View Profile
Re: diesel
« Reply #12 on: 05 March 2017, 19:53:13 »

In 10 years time it will not only be diesel cars that will be disappearing but also quaint old cars, that you still drive yourself. 2020-2022 are when the mass car manufacturers are gearing up for mass producing self-driving cars.

Indeed! That is when I will be able to blame the car for running into the back of a van!  ;D

Trouble is how will blame be apportioned when a self drive vehicle hits one driven by a human? Just imagine the fights we will have with insurers ::) ;)
Logged

STEMO

  • Guest
Re: diesel
« Reply #13 on: 05 March 2017, 20:20:54 »

In 10 years time it will not only be diesel cars that will be disappearing but also quaint old cars, that you still drive yourself. 2020-2022 are when the mass car manufacturers are gearing up for mass producing self-driving cars.
No. You're living in cloud cuckoo land.
Logged

2boxerdogs

  • Guest
Re: diesel
« Reply #14 on: 05 March 2017, 20:36:44 »

In 10 years time it will not only be diesel cars that will be disappearing but also quaint old cars, that you still drive yourself. 2020-2022 are when the mass car manufacturers are gearing up for mass producing self-driving cars.
No. You're living in cloud cuckoo land.
.     



Hope you're right, still enjoy driving  would hate to be run around in a robotic vehicle.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3  All   Go Up
 

Page created in 0.012 seconds with 16 queries.