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[Viral_Jim]

Not to mention that we'll probably all be back here again before the end of the year. 

[STEMO]

Well I'm not getting involved next time. Everybody picks on me even though I'm always right. Ho hum......

[Webby the Bear]

For me Tory win. Job done. A bit like a scrappy 1-0 win away from home on a miserable frozen February evening 

The first thing I heard this morning though made me laugh....

"Following a hung parliament Jeremy Corbin calls for the immediate resignation of Theresa May". Coming from the guy who refused to go even though everyone in his own party wanted someone other than him. Unelectable prick. 

[Doctor Gollum]

You can stop now, boys, it's over. The fat lady has sung.

Has Adele released a new album then?
 

[Sir Tigger KC]

If you had seen the constant one sided drivel on social media, I am not surprised that the younger generation voted the way they did.

The younger generation on facebook seem to think that St. Jezza single handedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland. 

Now Theresa May is being branded a terrorist sympathiser.....

Whereas of course the print media have been utterly impartial in their reporting of the two main candidates

You missed the point Jimmy, which was with social media a lie can be shared and spread with astonishing speed and almost get a life of it's own.    I think that the old saying of 'Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth' has never been so relevant when applied to social media. 

If you want to compare with print media, of course lies get told there too (and as we all know The Guardian is renowned for it!    ), but the difference is that the paper ends up in the (recycling) bin at the end of the day and the lie gets forgotten. 

[Viral_Jim]

Very true, social media allows stories "to go viral" in a way they never could before. However this ignores the (oft used) ability of print media to mount a sustained campaign aimed at destroying the character and reputation of a person or group that doesn't fit their narrative.

Given that the majority of our print media is owned by a handful of million/billionaires (who incidentally aren't really into the whole tax paying thing) then that narrative is hardly going to be a balanced one.

When it comes to politics, almost every media source has an axe to grind. At least a lot of the online stuff can be fact-checked fairly readily, the print media are generally well "lawyerd up" and the best you're likely to get is a mealy mouthed apology, 3 yrs after the event, printed in size 3 font on page 907 of their Sunday supplement on shoe polish.

Sorting the fact from fiction can be hard online, but at least you know it isn't all bent around someone else's vision of what you should be thinking.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Very true, social media allows stories "to go viral" in a way they never could before. However this ignores the (oft used) ability of print media to mount a sustained campaign aimed at destroying the character and reputation of a person or group that doesn't fit their narrative.

Given that the majority of our print media is owned by a handful of million/billionaires (who incidentally aren't really into the whole tax paying thing) then that narrative is hardly going to be a balanced one.

When it comes to politics, almost every media source has an axe to grind. At least a lot of the online stuff can be fact-checked fairly readily, the print media are generally well "lawyerd up" and the best you're likely to get is a mealy mouthed apology, 3 yrs after the event, printed in size 3 font on page 907 of their Sunday supplement on shoe polish.

Sorting the fact from fiction can be hard online, but at least you know it isn't all bent around someone else's vision of what you should be thinking.

In other words, government input is limited and they cannot easily restrict/control the output as they can with more traditional forms of media. That is another reason why the state, even in our "democratic" society, does not like the Internets social media and the like.

The worst form was of course the control excised by Joseph Goebbels, and is a lesson in potential state propaganda and highlights how dangerous limiting the media is.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Sorting the fact from fiction can be hard online.....

How many people actually bother though?    They just see something on Facebook and think wow that's amazing/disgusting and hit the share button!

Two examples during the election was the narrative that emerged that Jeremy Corbin singlehandedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland (I challenged this once which really stirred the keyboard warriors up!!    ) and a fake NHS poster urging people to buy their NHS health insurance by a certain date in 2018 and to check if you were eligible for £4000 a year free coverage!  I think this was started by Momentum or a similar group and was taken down after complaints, but not before it was shared a few hundred thousand times! 

BTW Jimmy I'm not disputing anything you say about the print media as they all have their axes to grind, but I think that social media is a much more dangerous medium for spreading lies, as it's much harder to control.    The Daily Mail is as you say 'all lawyered up' but they know the limits and how far they can go.  Little Johnnie Momentum in his bedroom however is a very different propostion.... 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Sorting the fact from fiction can be hard online.....

How many people actually bother though?    They just see something on Facebook and think wow that's amazing/disgusting and hit the share button!

Two examples during the election was the narrative that emerged that Jeremy Corbin singlehandedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland (I challenged this once which really stirred the keyboard warriors up!!    ) and a fake NHS poster urging people to buy their NHS health insurance by a certain date in 2018 and to check if you were eligible for £4000 a year free coverage!  I think this was started by Momentum or a similar group and was taken down after complaints, but not before it was shared a few hundred thousand times! 

BTW Jimmy I'm not disputing anything you say about the print media as they all have their axes to grind, but I think that social media is a much more dangerous medium for spreading lies, as it's much harder to control.    The Daily Mail is as you say 'all lawyered up' but they know the limits and how far they can go.  Little Johnnie Momentum in his bedroom however is a very different propostion.... 

Ok. That is all widely recognised by many, but what can be done about it?

State censorship, full state control, the banning of any site that is disagreeing with the ruling party / government?  Don't think so myself!  That is on the road to what I warn about in my post of a few minutes ago.

We are in a democracy where we apparently value free speech as long as it hurts or offends no one.  It would be easy to reverse all that once we are out of the EU, but do we really want to start doing that?

[Sir Tigger KC]

We're not really talking about censorship, but how to stop people spreading lies.  After all censorship can and has often been used to suppress the truth. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

We're not really talking about censorship, but how to stop people spreading lies.  After all censorship can and has often been used to suppress the truth. 

Best of luck with that one Sir Tigger

How about anyone who displeases us being sent to a camp somewhere?  Or is it censorship that could be better?  But how??

[Viral_Jim]

We're not really talking about censorship, but how to stop people spreading lies.  After all censorship can and has often been used to suppress the truth. 

I rather think the families of those who died at Hillsborough would contend we haven't adequately addressed that problem with traditional forms of media just yet, never mind online sources!

[STEMO]

The Sunday papers have really gone for Mother Theresa this morning. Almost cruel in their lambasting of her election gamble. A cartoon in the supposedly staid Sunday Times has her disheveled on the pavement outside a betting shop, with a Corbyn-faced dog pissing on her. Totally unnecessary imo, it seems to be a race to the lowest point of bad taste.

[Viral_Jim]

Well, her masters don't take a servant's failure lightly

[STEMO]

Well, her masters don't take a servant's failure lightly

I know that, Jimmy, and, as I have said before, she is condescending, arrogant and superior. We can now add to that naive, bordering on stupid...........but still.........hmmmmm....

Yeah........get stuck in to her.