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[TD]

I was coming back from Leeds on the M1 Friday night, travelling on the variable speed limit bit. All of a sudden, one of the gantries flashed 50mph, with an explanation of pedestrians on the mway. I was being dozy, so had to slow down sharpish before I passed under the gantry. A BMW outside of me was similarly caught out. Just after we passed, the dreaded camera flash.
So...was it me...or him? I'll let you know within fourteen days. 

I think you are safe Steve, IIRC When the speed limit changes on overhead gantries, they give you 5mins to comply with the new speed limit.... I got flashed by one on the m25 once shortly after a speed limit change.....never got a ticket for it 

[TD]

The road safety vans around Swindon used to point the camera out of a side window....catching the rear number plate...

Having said that I think there must be a yard somewhere full of road safety vans going rusty.....haven't seen one around Swindon in years.

Actually probably about the same time that the gov decided that the money collected from the fines all went to the gov....and nothing to the local authority...

Around the same time all the fixed speed cameras in the Swindon area got ripped out, shortly followed by the red light cameras....

Make you own mind up why .... 

[RobG]

Mobile van that parks near where I live has a camera facing out of the rear windows plus a screen mounted camera facing out of the front

[STEMO]

I think we have just one van for the whole of Barnsley. There are about 10 different sites where they operate as speed cameras, and one to enforce a bus lane. As I only see it occasionally at different sites and for only a couple of hours, I think he is probably razzing round the town in his van to make us think we're surrounded. 

[TheBoy]

Most of the vans, like the majority of the Police with Rayguns at the side of the road, are pointing towards oncoming traffic.

[LC0112G]

Mobile van that parks near where I live has a camera facing out of the rear windows plus a screen mounted camera facing out of the front

That would be interesting if challenged in the appeals court. The speed cameras are secondary corroborituve evidence of the opinion of the police officer that the vehicle was speeding. So the officer is looking out the front and back simultaneously to form that opinion? 

[Lazydocker]

Mobile van that parks near where I live has a camera facing out of the rear windows plus a screen mounted camera facing out of the front

That would be interesting if challenged in the appeals court. The speed cameras are secondary corroborituve evidence of the opinion of the police officer that the vehicle was speeding. So the officer is looking out the front and back simultaneously to form that opinion? 

Interesting thought... Speed partnership vans around here aren't manned by police officers

[Nick W]

Mobile van that parks near where I live has a camera facing out of the rear windows plus a screen mounted camera facing out of the front

That would be interesting if challenged in the appeals court. The speed cameras are secondary corroborituve evidence of the opinion of the police officer that the vehicle was speeding. So the officer is looking out the front and back simultaneously to form that opinion? 

Interesting thought... Speed partnership vans around here aren't manned by police officers

nor here. The driver is only needed to move the van to the next location and press the start button.

[LC0112G]

Mobile van that parks near where I live has a camera facing out of the rear windows plus a screen mounted camera facing out of the front

That would be interesting if challenged in the appeals court. The speed cameras are secondary corroborituve evidence of the opinion of the police officer that the vehicle was speeding. So the officer is looking out the front and back simultaneously to form that opinion? 

Interesting thought... Speed partnership vans around here aren't manned by police officers

nor here. The driver is only needed to move the van to the next location and press the start button.

Some types of camera are approved by the home office/home secretary for unattended operation - Gatso, Specs etc. Unless the device being used has such an approval then it can only be used as secondary evidence - to back up the expert opinion of a police officer that you were speeding.

If it goes to court, then the evidence from the officer invariably reads "I formed the opinion that the vehicle was speeding, and this was verified by the subsequent reading from the camera device." the Primary evidence is the opinion of the officer who is an expert witness being a highly trained as a traffic officer, and this is backed up by the secondary evidence from the camera device.

What they're not supposed to do is just point the laser/radar out the window and ping every car as it comes into view. Where is the expert opinion in that? And if the radar/laser isn't on the home office stand alone list approved then it can't be used as primary evidence.

Trouble is you won't get to know about any of this until/unless you plead not guilty and go to court. If you just plead guilty to the £100/3 points fixed penalty notice then you will never know if they actually had any admissible evidence against you.   

[Bigron]

Mobile van that parks near where I live has a camera facing out of the rear windows plus a screen mounted camera facing out of the front

That would be interesting if challenged in the appeals court. The speed cameras are secondary corroborituve evidence of the opinion of the police officer that the vehicle was speeding. So the officer is looking out the front and back simultaneously to form that opinion? 

Interesting thought... Speed partnership vans around here aren't manned by police officers

nor here. The driver is only needed to move the van to the next location and press the start button.

Some types of camera are approved by the home office/home secretary for unattended operation - Gatso, Specs etc. Unless the device being used has such an approval then it can only be used as secondary evidence - to back up the expert opinion of a police officer that you were speeding.

If it goes to court, then the evidence from the officer invariably reads "I formed the opinion that the vehicle was speeding, and this was verified by the subsequent reading from the camera device." the Primary evidence is the opinion of the officer who is an expert witness being a highly trained as a traffic officer, and this is backed up by the secondary evidence from the camera device.

What they're not supposed to do is just point the laser/radar out the window and ping every car as it comes into view. Where is the expert opinion in that? And if the radar/laser isn't on the home office stand alone list approved then it can't be used as primary evidence.

Trouble is you won't get to know about any of this until/unless you plead not guilty and go to court. If you just plead guilty to the £100/3 points fixed penalty notice then you will never know if they actually had any admissible evidence against you.

"with my certified and calibrated eyeballs....." 

Ron.

[Lazydocker]

Mobile van that parks near where I live has a camera facing out of the rear windows plus a screen mounted camera facing out of the front

That would be interesting if challenged in the appeals court. The speed cameras are secondary corroborituve evidence of the opinion of the police officer that the vehicle was speeding. So the officer is looking out the front and back simultaneously to form that opinion? 

Interesting thought... Speed partnership vans around here aren't manned by police officers

nor here. The driver is only needed to move the van to the next location and press the start button.

Some types of camera are approved by the home office/home secretary for unattended operation - Gatso, Specs etc. Unless the device being used has such an approval then it can only be used as secondary evidence - to back up the expert opinion of a police officer that you were speeding.

If it goes to court, then the evidence from the officer invariably reads "I formed the opinion that the vehicle was speeding, and this was verified by the subsequent reading from the camera device." the Primary evidence is the opinion of the officer who is an expert witness being a highly trained as a traffic officer, and this is backed up by the secondary evidence from the camera device.

What they're not supposed to do is just point the laser/radar out the window and ping every car as it comes into view. Where is the expert opinion in that? And if the radar/laser isn't on the home office stand alone list approved then it can't be used as primary evidence.

Trouble is you won't get to know about any of this until/unless you plead not guilty and go to court. If you just plead guilty to the £100/3 points fixed penalty notice then you will never know if they actually had any admissible evidence against you.

Well, I know how mine went when I went to court and it wasn't a police officer manning the camera

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Agreed. I belive they are manned by operatives from the speed camera partnership.

[STEMO]

Agreed. I belive they are manned by operatives from the speed camera partnership.

Casualty reduction partnership round here.

[Mr Gav]

Most of the vans, like the majority of the Police with Rayguns at the side of the road, are pointing towards oncoming traffic.

This what I thought.

[flyer 0712]

Only today..driving home and came to a blind bend in a 30mph limit,,,,the rear of a camera van with cameras aimed out of the rear windows aimed at me as I approached them...they have been around for a few years now,,,,