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[TheBoy]

On the subject of the NHS, I have said times before from my fairly recent direct experiences with elderly family members that the NHS needs reorganising. Nurses don't seem to nurse anymore but are administrators. Not that many years ago a matron and her nurses would be mortified if patients got a bed sore. they would regularly move them about to avoid them. Now they have a chart above the nurses seating area showing how many bed sores etc. Hospitals seem to me to be places where you are hanging about as a patient getting better or worse. Occasionally a doctor comes along and changes medication or does an operation. maybe the rest could be done my a robot administering drugs and auxilliaries doing bedpans etc. I will probably get flamed for over simplification of the case but there is room for huge improvements and savings.

I agree. And, sadly, as I've said here so many times before, I don't think it can be fixed in its current form.  I don't think what we have is transformable now.

[STEMO]

Liz Truss is going to give a statement to the house, re: public sector pay, after PMQ's.

[2boxerdogs]

Liz Truss is going to give a statement to the house, re: public sector pay, after PMQ's.

   






That should be worth waiting for after her last one about HMPS , the woman is a complete arsehole.

[STEMO]

Liz Truss is going to give a statement to the house, re: public sector pay, after PMQ's.

Well...there yer go...no change in government policy. We can all shut up now 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

On the subject of the NHS, I have said times before from my fairly recent direct experiences with elderly family members that the NHS needs reorganising. Nurses don't seem to nurse anymore but are administrators. Not that many years ago a matron and her nurses would be mortified if patients got a bed sore. they would regularly move them about to avoid them. Now they have a chart above the nurses seating area showing how many bed sores etc. Hospitals seem to me to be places where you are hanging about as a patient getting better or worse. Occasionally a doctor comes along and changes medication or does an operation. maybe the rest could be done my a robot administering drugs and auxilliaries doing bedpans etc. I will probably get flamed for over simplification of the case but there is room for huge improvements and savings.

I agree. And, sadly, as I've said here so many times before, I don't think it can be fixed in its current form.  I don't think what we have is transformable now.

I completely agree. Getting from where we are to somewhere near to where we need to be, seems an impossibility though. Its a sacred cow, and all those involved in any way are angels sent from on high, apparently.

[Rods2]

Good article by Daniel Hannan on spending reality.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2017/07/daniel-hannan-living-within-our-means-isnt-austerity-its-reality-and-it-cant-be-evaded.html

[2boxerdogs]

SWMBO & myself have both been in public services all our working lives at one time both in the NHS I was in the London Ambulance Service & my wife was in pathology, in the early 90s we had both had enough, she went into education & I joined HMPS , I took partial retirement in 2014 (  best thing i ever did ).Last week she came home in tears because budget cuts had affected the science department which she is head of to the extent that practical experiments which are vital in this subject will be drastically reduced .She has had shingles already this year and a suspected TIA 2 years ago in my mind brought on by her job , my answer to this was retire now, these services no longer care about their staff it is all about money lots of which is totally wasted on unnecessary admin staff & managers who are promoted to way above their capabilities. She is now finishing at the end of March & taking her lump sum & pension so we will be travelling a lot, I told her to go sick with stress but she will not , does not want to let her pupils down but she does seem so much happier now there is light at the end of the tunnel.What the future holds for public services I dread to think even more so for our chidren & grandchildren who will all be affected in the end.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Liz Truss is going to give a statement to the house, re: public sector pay, after PMQ's.

Well...there yer go...no change in government policy. We can all shut up now

No change in government policy until Theresa is about to be knifed in the back by her own party like the mad old woman who divided the country in the eighties.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Good article by Daniel Hannan on spending reality.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2017/07/daniel-hannan-living-within-our-means-isnt-austerity-its-reality-and-it-cant-be-evaded.html

Whenever I see this 'smarmy sod' I always think his talents would be better served selling used cars.

[STEMO]

Good article by Daniel Hannan on spending reality.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2017/07/daniel-hannan-living-within-our-means-isnt-austerity-its-reality-and-it-cant-be-evaded.html

Whenever I see this 'smarmy sod' I always think his talents would be better served selling used cars.

I didn't even bother reading it. It's always the toffee nosed bastards with plenty of money themselves that tell other people why they can't have any. Nothing wrong with him that a good hiding and six months in a NHS hospital wouldn't cure.

[Viral_Jim]

I did read it, and it's just a re-hash of the magic money tree argument. IE it's necessary we cut because we can't afford everything people want.

Which is true, more always begats more. But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a more sensible discussion about what we do spend money on. Personally I would rather we spend it on making people's lives better than.... Picking two examples out the hat, nuclear weapons and the royal navy's latest pleasure cruiser.

But then I'm not the one making the decisions. That'll be Mr Murdoch. 

[STEMO]

I don't mind the magic money tree argument, I just don't like some of the people who use it. People who have always been privileged, and never had to use a public service, telling others how such a service should be run.
People like him spend their lives telling less fortunate people how to live their lives. I would like it if one of the unfortunates was to pick him up by his scrawny little neck, punch him in the face till his head dizzies and then relieve him of his sweeties. 

[2boxerdogs]

I don't mind the magic money tree argument, I just don't like some of the people who use it. People who have always been privileged, and never had to use a public service, telling others how such a service should be run.
People like him spend their lives telling less fortunate people how to live their lives. I would like it if one of the unfortunates was to pick him up by his scrawny little neck, punch him in the face till his head dizzies and then relieve him of his sweeties. 

   




I like your style.😀

[Sir Tigger KC]

I said it before and I'll say it again.  If we want well funded public services we have to be prepared to pay for them. 

And that's the elephant in the room, because everyone thinks someone else should pay. 

[aaronjb]

And that's the elephant in the room, because everyone thinks someone else should pay. 

STEMO probably thinks that the "rich southerners" should pay..

And sorry Tig, it doesn't get much more southern than darzet so.. tag, you're it!