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[Sir Tigger KC]

Tesla will build the worlds biggest lithium-ion battery to store renewable energy for the grid in South Australia. 

Another small step in the right direction. 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/07/tesla-to-build-worlds-biggest-lithium-ion-battery-in-south-australia

[Viral_Jim]

Very cool 

That said I'm surprised it's happening in Australia. After all they do have a real hard on for coal over there. 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/09/scott-morrison-brings-coal-to-question-time-what-fresh-idiocy-is-this

[Marks DTM Calib]

Tesla will build the worlds biggest lithium-ion battery to store renewable energy for the grid in South Australia. 

Another small step in the right direction. 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/07/tesla-to-build-worlds-biggest-lithium-ion-battery-in-south-australia

Is still bugger all power in the grand scheme of things sadly (129MWh), equivalent to less than 1/5 of one of Drax's generators (there are 6) outputs for 1 hour......

[Viral_Jim]

Is still bugger all power in the grand scheme of things sadly (129MWh), equivalent to less than 1/5 of one of Drax's generators (there are 6) outputs for 1 hour......

True, but you know what they say, Drax wasn't built in a day .

The only way renewables will work is on a decentralised model and smaller scale. As you rightly point out, (with the exception of big hydro where the geography allows) no single renewable source is going to come anywhere near a Drax or a Bełchatow. That said, technology around this is gathering pace and you won't reverse a 3000 year old tradition of digging stuff up and burning in a matter of days, it will take years.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Is still bugger all power in the grand scheme of things sadly (129MWh), equivalent to less than 1/5 of one of Drax's generators (there are 6) outputs for 1 hour......

True, but you know what they say, Drax wasn't built in a day .

The only way renewables will work is on a decentralised model and smaller scale. As you rightly point out, (with the exception of big hydro where the geography allows) no single renewable source is going to come anywhere near a Drax or a Bełchatow. That said, technology around this is gathering pace and you won't reverse a 3000 year old tradition of digging stuff up and burning in a matter of days, it will take years.

It will take something other than wind, solar, batteries etc.....it need fusion or a better means of storage (hydrogen fuel cell maybe)

[Sir Tigger KC]

Renewable energy is still in it's infancy in the grand scheme of things and when you look at nuclear, it's taken 70 years to get to the point where we can build a monstrosity like Hinkley Point C. 

Most of us won't be here in 70 years time but energy generation and storage will be very different, and like it or not renewables are the future.  I'm sure there will be twists and turns, but every new development is another step in the right direction! 

[STEMO]

I think we should start rationing power, the I can tell my missus she can't have seventeen baths a week.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think we should start rationing power, the I can tell my missus she can't have seventeen baths a week.

Move to South Australia, as it seems they have regular blackouts there!     

[zirk]

So how much Tree Hugging Eco Friendly Foot Print Energy units does it take to build one of these Batteries, and how many do they have to Sell and Ship around the World to actually recover their spent Energy.

[aaronjb]

Let's hope it doesn't do a Samsung, eh?

[Doctor Gollum]

It is still common practice to insist on li-on wheelchair/scooter batteries to travel in the cabin with passengers.

When inform the skipper of a flight that the passenger in 11A had such a battery with them, he cheerfully retorted, " Great, that way everyone can see what a lithium fire looks like."

The conversation ended with the observation that the chances of the terminals being shorted by condensation were reduced to the point of insignificance in the cabin compared to the being placed in the hold, and that in the statistically unlikely even, at least the cause would be readily identifiable rather than trying to figure out why the systems were randomly shutting down and the floor was melting

[Varche]

We have yet to be asked to put scooter batteries in cabin. I dare say the day will come. It would be a good way of secreting a bomb on board regardless of whether the bateries are a liability.

[Doctor Gollum]

We have yet to be asked to put scooter batteries in cabin. I dare say the day will come. It would be a good way of secreting a bomb on board regardless of whether the bateries are a liability.

Only applies to Li-on/Li-po... other dry cell/agm/sealed types are fine... although both BA and easyjet will now tolerate lithium in the hold at the Captains discretion. The reasoning behind lithium batteries is the same as not being allowed to check in laptops in hold luggage... to prevent undetected/uncontrollable fires in the hold. From a security perspective laptops, tablets and phones are all screened carefully by the xrays as you pass through security...

The important thing, beyond lithium fires is that the scooter cannot be accidentally switched on or put into gear once loaded... for most types this is simply a matter of removing the key or unplugging something (controller/battery).

The GoGo range is probably the most travel friendly, and not too heavy/bulky either... sealed dry cell with a key switch.

One further point of confusion, is that the fact that lithium batteries are technically a form of dry cell