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Lincs Robert

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Aircraft turboprop engines
« on: 28 July 2017, 17:52:33 »

I was on a flight from Dublin to Leeds yesterday. Sat with a clear view of one engine.

Prior to takeoff I noticed that it was rotating anti-clockwise fairly slowly - I was sat behind it at a window seat & "looking through" the prop if you see my meaning. I then saw it slow down, stop for about 10 seconds & then start rotating clockwise - fairly quickly going up to a fast speed before we began taxiing.

Can anyone explain this - there must be a reason for it.
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #1 on: 28 July 2017, 18:03:15 »

Wind, before it was powered up? Ok, silly answer, but our aviation experts will soon shoot me down!  :-[

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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #2 on: 28 July 2017, 18:44:45 »

Is it not an optical illusion? It's just getting faster and faster in same direction in reality.
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #3 on: 28 July 2017, 18:50:11 »

Is it not an optical illusion? It's just getting faster and faster in same direction in reality.

No!

As I said, it slowed to a stop & then started up in the opposite direction ......
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #4 on: 28 July 2017, 18:54:48 »

It may have been a strobe effect in conjunction with the internal cabin lighting. Aircraft ac power is generated at 400hz as this makes transformers much smaller and lighter.
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Lincs Robert

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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #5 on: 28 July 2017, 19:06:17 »

There's an awful lot of guesswork going on here guys - does anyone actually know about aircraft engines rather than assuming it's my eyesight?  :-*

I know the effect you are referring to, it creates a blurring effect. The cabin lights were on, but it was daylight outside & the prop in question was about 3 metres away so would have virtually illumination from within the cabin.

I'm doing the same trip again next week so will observe again.
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #6 on: 28 July 2017, 19:36:07 »

I was on a flight from Dublin to Leeds yesterday. Sat with a clear view of one engine.

Prior to takeoff I noticed that it was rotating anti-clockwise fairly slowly - I was sat behind it at a window seat & "looking through" the prop if you see my meaning. I then saw it slow down, stop for about 10 seconds & then start rotating clockwise - fairly quickly going up to a fast speed before we began taxiing.

Can anyone explain this - there must be a reason for it.

From what you describe, and as you were taxiing, I would say that the pilot was using one engine only, a not uncommon thing as far as my experience is concerned.  The prop you were looking at was being feathered; in other words the engine was on idle and the prop was turning in the wind, hence going anti clockwise.  Before take off the pilot would apply full power to that engine and thus then the prop would turn clockwise.

Used to see that a lot in the old days as a child, and especially when RAF Shackletons were flying on exercise across Malta, with one or even two props being feathered out of the four engines. ;)

In modern times I often saw RAF Hercules feathering a prop or two.

PS Shackletons had twin conter rotating props per engine, so the effect was very interesting.
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #7 on: 28 July 2017, 19:44:55 »

I have spent hours being transported in C-130s (hercs)

I have seen the props spin backwards but only to manouver the plane or reverse in car talk

other than that the props spin one way to go forward and spin freely when powered off when the wind blows them
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #8 on: 28 July 2017, 19:48:07 »

Thanks for the last two replies - sounds quite plausible & doesn't doubt what I saw.

Btw, I was chatting to the Leprechaun who was sat on the wing during the flight- he saw it too  ;D
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #9 on: 28 July 2017, 19:48:25 »

Engine off, the prop will windmill unless parked.

No different to the front fan of a modern jet engine... Both have freewheel hubs driven by the engine behind.

Commercially normal to taxi with one engine running, usually number 2 on twins.
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #10 on: 28 July 2017, 19:50:47 »

How many blades did it have?

there are contra rotating blades on some commercial planes
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #11 on: 28 July 2017, 20:07:56 »

It was obviously one of those new fangled hybrid planes. While the propellers are rotating backwards, the batteries are being charged.
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #12 on: 28 July 2017, 20:24:36 »

I have spent hours being transported in C-130s (hercs)

I have seen the props spin backwards but only to manouver the plane or reverse in car talk

other than that the props spin one way to go forward and spin freely when powered off when the wind blows them

Nope, never, not in a million years .. :)  and I spent 38 years flying the C130(K) Hercules.

The engine and propellor go at a constant speed in one direction at all times .. the thrust is changed by varying the "pitch" of the propeller to give more "bite" into the air, this gives increased forward thrust (as the "bite" increases the engine "tries" to slow down, more fuel is added to speed it back up so maintaining a constant speed engine for efficiency purposes). To "reverse" the aircraft (and to slow it down rapidly on the ground) the propellor is sent to a "negative" blade angle .. this sends the thrust forwards  which will drive the aircraft backwards for reverse taxying.

You have NEVER seen  the props spin backwards as the engine and propellor are actually incapable of working under such conditions as the airflow through the engine would also have to be reversed  and no engine would work with the turbine coming before the fuel burners !!!!  :)
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #13 on: 28 July 2017, 20:46:01 »

Surly its the elastic band winding up ;D ;D
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Re: Aircraft turboprop engines
« Reply #14 on: 28 July 2017, 20:48:54 »

Then I was mistaken, learned something though. Thinking now lol its got curved blades.


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