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[Rods2]

When you start getting your winter electricity bills in and they are higher than you were expecting spare a poor thought for all those rich Scottish landowners, as they have an even bigger problem on how to spend even more money that you have generously given to them in the form of wind farm subsidies. It makes Soviet 5-year shoe making plans, where they ended up with 5 million left shoes, all the same size, per year look a very sensible use of money and resources in comparison!

https://capx.co/the-scottish-wind-power-racket/

[Viral_Jim]

You mean like paying fossil power stations for not generating electricity? Or not requiring nuclear power stations to pay for their own cleanup and letting the taxpayer foot the bill?

Then there's the few (30) billion for Hinckley point to build it.
https://www.ft.com/content/b8e24306-48e5-11e6-8d68-72e9211e86ab

Oh hang on I forgot, it's only a subsidy if it's renewable.

[Viral_Jim]

But thankfully, at least the poor impoverished shell & by shareholders won't be without their government money, which definitely isn't a subsidy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-government-pays-6bn-a-year-in-subsidies-to-fossil-fuel-industry-a6730946.html

[Doctor Gollum]

Plenty of privately owned turbines here... All enabling communities to exist without mains electricity.

Besides, why wouldn't you build turbines in the windiest parts of the country

That 'article' reads like a teetotaller who owns an Orchard complaining about the number of apples he has...

[Marks DTM Calib]

Plenty of privately owned turbines here... All enabling communities to exist without mains electricity.

Besides, why wouldn't you build turbines in the windiest parts of the country

That 'article' reads like a teetotaller who owns an Orchard complaining about the number of apples he has...

Sadly not possible with the tech of the day.

People know my view, we need large scale power production and not the low level, high volume, unreliable solar and wind supplies.

Even the likes of the Swansea bay project have been all but dropped and that did have the potential to deliver at least a totally predictable supply (all be it small scale at this stage) and to a small scale, controllable supply.

[Kevin Wood]

Plenty of privately owned turbines here... All enabling communities to exist without mains electricity.

Besides, why wouldn't you build turbines in the windiest parts of the country

That 'article' reads like a teetotaller who owns an Orchard complaining about the number of apples he has...

Sadly not possible with the tech of the day.

People know my view, we need large scale power production and not the low level, high volume, unreliable solar and wind supplies.

Even the likes of the Swansea bay project have been all but dropped and that did have the potential to deliver at least a totally predictable supply (all be it small scale at this stage) and to a small scale, controllable supply.

Don't worry. Once electric cars start to become more popular they'll see the error of their ways.

[Viral_Jim]

Don't worry. Once electric cars start to become more popular they'll see the error of their ways.

Interesting report on that from the National Grid a few months ago. Which is where all the apocalyptic newspaper articles sprang from. The gist of it was that without any form of smart infrastructure around load balancing, we're knacker d. But with smart technology the problem is eminently solvable without building another 3-5 Hinckley point c's.

The newspapers, naturally, based their articles on about half of the report. Bet you can't guess which half

[aaronjb]

But with smart technologyrolling blackouts the problem is eminently solvable without building another 3-5 Hinckley point c's.

Fixed that for you for accuracy (OK, "rolling blackouts" is probably an exaggeration, but, "load minimisation" is I guess what would be required..)

[Marks DTM Calib]

Don't worry. Once electric cars start to become more popular they'll see the error of their ways.

Interesting report on that from the National Grid a few months ago. Which is where all the apocalyptic newspaper articles sprang from. The gist of it was that without any form of smart infrastructure around load balancing, we're knacker d. But with smart technology the problem is eminently solvable without building another 3-5 Hinckley point c's.

The newspapers, naturally, based their articles on about half of the report. Bet you can't guess which half

I suspect smart tech wont be able to address it all by any means, with just 50% of the UK plugging cars in to charge the load demands will increase way beyond what can be gained by turning a few fridges etc off

[Rods2]

We will be alright if we go back to the 1970's 3 day weeks and rolling blackouts. Australia are well ahead of their use as they have had several large load demand blackouts over the last few months. Once a grid goes down because consumers tend to leave the load turned on, restarting the grid has to be done in phases.

Germany, where they have a large percentage of renewables and have scrapped their nuclear power stations have built several coal powered power stations for load balancing. They burn the cheapest most polluting, highest CO2, coal available lignite. Where they are used for load balancing for much of the time the boilers are running but the turbines are idle. This is progress apparently.

[Kevin Wood]

Yes, I think I'll invest in Honda, as I can see them becoming a major part of our generating infrastructure.

[grifter]

Oz certainly is the crash test dummy of wind power and.....it aint going well:

https://stopthesethings.com