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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #60 on: 26 May 2018, 13:02:20 »
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« Reply #61 on: 26 May 2018, 20:28:18 »
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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #62 on: 28 May 2018, 21:26:10 »
You said with Grenfell that there was no EU directive on building insulation performance. Yes, there is as explained by somebody that has forgotten more about EU directives and regulations Dr Richard North than either of us will probably ever know as his article explains.

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86528

He explains in this article the relevant building insulation performance Directive 2010/31/EU which you can read in full in the link below. The problem as Dr North explains is the lack of fire testing of materials as part of the directive.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32010L0031&from=EN
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« Reply #63 on: 28 May 2018, 21:29:57 »
Who said?
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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #64 on: 28 May 2018, 22:00:30 »
Quote from: STEMO on 28 May 2018, 21:29:57
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The bloke being blown by his sister...

Presumably  ;)
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« Reply #65 on: 28 May 2018, 22:10:45 »
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Quote from: STEMO on 28 May 2018, 21:29:57
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The bloke being blown by his sister...

Presumably  ;)
Oh  :o :o
Can I watch? Please.  :)
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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #66 on: 29 January 2020, 19:40:58 »
Quote from: STEMO on 23 May 2018, 18:20:09
Quote from: biggriffin on 23 May 2018, 18:16:07
Just seen the BBC news, and a certain QC by the name of Michael Mansfield, has popped up regarding greenfell..
Where there's brass, there's muck.
 

 Listening to the news today, and the above QC was rattling on, He is one of the most expensive QC in the country, and I bet he isn't doing this out of goodness, they can smell money and lots of it...


 As another issue, the company that supplied the foam (cellotex) said it's flammable,,, no shit Sherlock,,,  we were banned from using a similar product, that we mixed, and poured into touring car chassis 30 years ago, because it was flammable...
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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #67 on: 29 January 2020, 19:53:32 »
At the end of the day, a lot of human beings burnt to death because of the incompetence and negligence of others. Those responsible shouldn't get away with it.
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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #68 on: 29 January 2020, 20:08:43 »
I was thinking that there are still plenty of these tower blocks clad in err dubious material.

Perhaps an MP could be billeted in each one to help focus minds.
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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #69 on: 29 January 2020, 20:26:02 »
Quote from: Varche on 29 January 2020, 20:08:43
I was thinking that there are still plenty of these tower blocks clad in err dubious material.

Perhaps an MP could be billeted in each one to help focus minds.

Hundreds across the country apparently, and not all council blocks either.  They were talking about this on Whine the other day and a chap who owns a flat in a private block of flats called in to say that he was facing a £60,000 bill as his contribution to getting all the cladding replaced .  :-\
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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #70 on: 30 January 2020, 13:19:05 »
A lot of the problems stem from a "perfect storm" of small things,
I have read the reports and followed this (I’m in Building Control)
the separate compartments were compromised by damaged doors on corridors, snd holes in the floor/ceiling left unsealed when they installed gas a while back, so the stay put advice wouldn’t work like it should,
the building was clad in a material that was only approved to be used up to a few story’s,(but £500k cheaper) the windows were fitted in the outer cladding, which fell off, the gap behind the cladding should have had fire barriers every floor to stop spread of flames.
The lack of sprinklers was apparently because they didn’t expect the system to last long due to vandalism.

One fault after another, plus the fact no one knew exactly who was actually living there due to sub letting etc.
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« Reply #71 on: 30 January 2020, 13:33:53 »
Quote from: scimmy_man on 30 January 2020, 13:19:05
A lot of the problems stem from a "perfect storm" of small things,
I have read the reports and followed this (I’m in Building Control)
the separate compartments were compromised by damaged doors on corridors, snd holes in the floor/ceiling left unsealed when they installed gas a while back, so the stay put advice wouldn’t work like it should,
the building was clad in a material that was only approved to be used up to a few story’s,(but £500k cheaper) the windows were fitted in the outer cladding, which fell off, the gap behind the cladding should have had fire barriers every floor to stop spread of flames.
The lack of sprinklers was apparently because they didn’t expect the system to last long due to vandalism.

One fault after another, plus the fact no one knew exactly who was actually living there due to sub letting etc.
I've seen these kind of things in schools! Nice new builds that conform to all current regulations. Then the maintenance people come along and leave ceiling tiles out, wedge doors open, remove lagging and don't put it back, etc. No one thing is much to shout about but, in my opinion, it shows a lack of awareness.....and downright laziness.
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Re: Grenfell inquiry
« Reply #72 on: 01 February 2020, 20:22:11 »
I'd like to see the Fault Tree. I Spend 2013 and 2014 helping Rolls-Royce do risk assessments on Jet Engine Design, and the Safety specialists love an AND gate and HATE an OR gate.

Sounds like there were a lot of OR gates in the design.
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