Brexit.

[Doctor Gollum]

How anyone could want to join or remain a part of it is utterly beyond me.

Pragmatism.Fear and apathy...

Fixed

[TheBoy]

How anyone could want to join or remain a part of it is utterly beyond me.

Pragmatism.Fear and apathy...

Fixed

Incorrect DG.  Looking at the pros and cons, and the realistic likelihood of coming out completely and the outcomes of that, that was what made me vote the way I did.

But that's irrelevant now, we made the decision as a country, so will have to put up with a half arsed exit, and get the worse of both worlds.

[Doctor Gollum]

All the more reason to do it decisively rather than the dollop of poo we seem to be getting.

This was leave before we can't. Not whether we should stay or not and if so, how loosely...

Don't forget that the wrong decision was made in the '70s...

This is, or damn well should be, about correcting that mistake.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The amount of trade going across it is £3 billion p.a. which is paltry in the grand scheme of things.
Felixstowe docks has £80 billion of trade going in / out p.a. and its all done with barely a customs officer in sight.
As I said, its a huge red herring.

But it becomes an easy route to get EU goods in without paying the various import duties.  So it has to be a less pourous border, and the money and effort to make that the case has to be found.

Yes Jeremy Whine commented today that smuggling would be a huge problem if there are no checks at the border. 

I thought to myself " What the hell are the Irish going to smuggle into the UK..... Potatoes?! "  

[Doctor Gollum]

Jeremy Whine commented today

He does that, you should probably ignore him

[Sir Tigger KC]

Jeremy Whine commented today

He does that, you should probably ignore him

Another daft comment he made a while back when talking about BREXIT was " After BREXIT how will we stop the Welsh from selling chlorinated chicken in the RoI? " 

I thought to myself " We don't.  That's the Paddies problem. " 

[Doctor Gollum]

Sometimes I am embarrassed to have been to the same Prep School as him...

Not that his leftie opinions would ever suggest he knew what a Prep School is

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

How anyone could want to join or remain a part of it is utterly beyond me.

Pragmatism.

You call it pragmatism, I call it Munchausen syndrome. 

[Doctor Gollum]

How anyone could want to join or remain a part of it is utterly beyond me.

Pragmatism.

You call it pragmatism, I call it Munchausen syndrome. 

Is that 'on the spectrum'?

[TheBoy]

Yes Jeremy Whine commented today that smuggling would be a huge problem if there are no checks at the border. 

I thought to myself " What the hell are the Irish going to smuggle into the UK..... Potatoes?! "  

But if Ireland can get free trade with the EU, and then there is no real border between those Irish borders, its obvious (even that idiot Vine can see it, and he's thick as 2 short planks) some less scrupulous companies are going to use that route to import/export.

[TheBoy]

Don't forget that the wrong decision was made in the '70s...

England has done very well out of it. The UK provinces even better.

Not sure if that makes it a mistake  .  In the decade follow us in the Common Market, we had the advantage of that and of a strong leader in Maggie, turning this country from a bankrupt, unproductive land into a finacially secure place with opportunities.


But the trash media public have decided, and we must leave (I dont believe in a 2nd ref), and that will be a half cocked, half arsed, abortion of a compromise.  Remember, all the influence within the country doesn't want to leave, they want access to Europe.

[Doctor Gollum]

that will be a half cocked, half arsed, abortion of a compromise.

As Zig Ziglar said, "If you aim at nothing, you will hit it every time."

What we lack is the leadership conviction to get this done decisively. A hard Brexit would actually be much better for everyone than this sappy softly softly crap.

If you were getting divorced would rather put the house on the market, get it sold and move on... Or would you prefer to spend six years in court arguing over the Le Creuset pan stand...

[Sir Tigger KC]

Yes Jeremy Whine commented today that smuggling would be a huge problem if there are no checks at the border. 

I thought to myself " What the hell are the Irish going to smuggle into the UK..... Potatoes?! "  

But if Ireland can get free trade with the EU, and then there is no real border between those Irish borders, its obvious (even that idiot Vine can see it, and he's thick as 2 short planks) some less scrupulous companies are going to use that route to import/export.

I doubt companies are going to set up expensive manufacturing facilities in the RoI or route stuff to the UK via Ireland to save an average 3% tariff to be honest.  It might be worthwhile for small portable high value goods that attract a high tariff like diamonds for example, but I can't see it becoming a massive problem. 

Same goes for goods going the other way and given the lack of will from the Irish/EU in finding a solution, we shouldn't worry about their problems.  If they want to erect a hard border let them. 

The solutions are there, we just need the political will (mostly from the EU) to find them. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Sometimes I am embarrassed to have been to the same Prep School as him...

Not that his leftie opinions would ever suggest he knew what a Prep School is

'Fookin ell'....

My first school was so rough any boy with two ears was considered to be a shirt lifter.

Did go to grammar school later on though.

[STEMO]

Sometimes I am embarrassed to have been to the same Prep School as him...

Not that his leftie opinions would ever suggest he knew what a Prep School is

'Fookin ell'....

My first school was so rough any boy with two ears was considered to be a shirt lifter.

Did go to grammar school later on though.