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[STEMO]

And, just one more thing, I don't think that anyone should be charged with manslaughter because, as you say, the was no intention to harm. The charge should be the equally serious one of perverting the course of justice.

[2boxerdogs]

I will just agree to differ , it is obvious you have led a very sheltered life.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

My thoughts are that many who are "baying for justice" are just types that have a dislike for Police for one reason or another , an agenda which I personally have no time for.

My Dad was in the police a long time ago ( a B special to be precise), my lifelong best friend spent 25 years in the police, his wife was a divisional commander. I don't have a problem with the police, but like most police officers and right thinking people, I reserve a special loathing for bent coppers. They are worse than your common or garden criminal.

[STEMO]

I will just agree to differ , it is obvious you have led a very sheltered life.

Yep. It was very sheltered in the back streets of Liverpool, and for the time I was in the army in the early seventies. Albs puts it very well, bent bastards in any public service should be despised by those both inside and outside of the service. For every member of the lynch mob baying for blood, as you put it, there is someone trying to defend their despicable behaviour and citing stress or some such shite.
Just because people do a difficult job, it doesn't absolve them when they break the law.

[omegod]

Bent coppers were pursued with dogged vigour and dignity by the families despite thwarting attempts and lies from every public office involved but they got the truth in the end.

The talk of cost is appalling, if they hadn't bloody lied and smeared it would have been done and dusted yonks ago, it took a multi million pound inquiry to get the slithering and lying bastards to admit they covered up, had they threw their hands up earlier and not hid behind the old boys network there would have been no cost, mistakes that cause deaths are forgivable, lies are not. 

I'm not eager for manslaughter charges either but how what occurred after the event can sit comfortably with anyone is absolutely beyond me !

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Another witch hunt in the making. 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-44696813

[omegod]

Are you actually that cold ?

I suppose they aren't bereaved parents are they, just after a bit of compo and all that, they will be made up really won't they

FFS !

[STEMO]

Are you actually that cold ?

I suppose they aren't bereaved parents are they, just after a bit of compo and all that, they will be made up really won't they

FFS !

I think he was being sarcastic. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Sorry Jon I didn't mean it to come across that way at all  STEMO  is right. I was being sarcastic from the perspective of - its another person in a position of care / authority apparently found to be doing terrible things. Should those who now pursue her for what she did be accused of a witch hunt etc. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Bent coppers were pursued with dogged vigour and dignity by the families despite thwarting attempts and lies from every public office involved but they got the truth in the end.

The talk of cost is appalling, if they hadn't bloody lied and smeared it would have been done and dusted yonks ago, it took a multi million pound inquiry to get the slithering and lying bastards to admit they covered up, had they threw their hands up earlier and not hid behind the old boys network there would have been no cost, mistakes that cause deaths are forgivable, lies are not. 

I'm not eager for manslaughter charges either but how what occurred after the event can sit comfortably with anyone is absolutely beyond me !

I don't think that anyone is saying that they are comfortable with the cover up and I agree with those who say that those involved should be ruthlessly hunted down and charged with perversion of the course of justice or any other relevant charges.

However, charging those who made fatal decisions on the day with manslaughter does smack of a witch hunt and finding scapegoats. For some here this is clearly personal and I am far removed, but I believe people made decisions based on the information they had and the developing situation they were confronted with. 

Fatal mistakes were made for sure, but I don't believe anyone knowingly sent 90 odd people to their deaths.

[New POD]

They are accused of being were criminally negligent, lied about it , falsified evidence and officers statements ,blamed victims for their own deaths, those deaths their poor decision making caused whilst in a position of responsibility.

Yeah...it most definitely is in the public interest and most certainly for 96 families

I have edited your statement because I absolutely believe you are right, but I want the rule of law to be upheld. These people are innocent until PROVED beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law that they are guilty. I want these people to have a fair trial, and when the evidence* is presented they have the opportunity to present a defense and the Jury and the Judge, will have no excuse not to find them guilty beyond doubt.

I don't want them to defend themselves by being able to point out it's a witch hunt.

*Luckily there's enough evidence in the public domain, presented at the inquest(s) in warrington, that suggests, that those responsible will get what they rightly deserve.

[New POD]

With the mob baying for blood, does anyone think that this guy will get a fair trial?     

It's one thing to make a mistake, and compound that mistake because you are not prepared for the carnage that results from your errors.

It's another to lie about it.

Had those people in charge, had the moral fibre to admit their failings, then they would have been seen as "just" grossly incompetent.